[Tempest]

"As far as I am concerned, those folks are far more idologically akin to the Libs."

True, true, the majority is. But I'm not quite sure how that makes an arguement to the position that legislation of sexual behaviour amongest consenting adults is contradictory to conservative ideology?

I mean you must admit that there are many conservatives whom have taken the position which would absolutely not induce anyone in that demographic to find the conservative agenda appealing. These are people are well within their right of course not to pander to gays because I believe a persons morals are their own to decide as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others. I'm just pointing out how I've always thought that legislation against the fact to be contradictory to a conservative ideology.

[John Valentine]

Referring back to your post:

What I said was not an argument, it was an observation. The fact that many so-called conservatives what to use government coercion as a means of social control - just as do the libs is not an argument against government coerciaon by either party. That is for another time and place, or it is accepted as a given as I thought to be the case here.

Rather I was only pointing out a significant point of commonality between two groups with not much in common except their willingness to use the poweer and force of the state to enforce their will on unwilling others that they see as the cause of all the trouble.

A truly conservative idiology is one that permits both gays and straights the freedom to engage in any form of consensual adult sex they like - in the bedroom with the door closed, thank you very much.