Editorial: California Crushes Liberals

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | 10/07/03 | David Horowitz

[VRWC_minion]

The main point of the Ten Commandments is not to tell us we must not do in order to place restrictions on us, the point is they are there to let us enjoy our freedom.

God fearing, law abiding people want restrictions in place. With them they can be more free than they can without them. The main purpose of these laws isn't to modify the behavior of the person that will chose to break them, they are there to stop the vast majority that don't want to break them.

An analogy is when we lock our doors. Our door bolts are not going to keep out dishonest people. They only keep out honest people.

[randita]

Great analyis. I liiked this statement.

Strategically, the key point is this: a much more powerful, broad-based and lasting coalition can be built nationally around free-market/small-government principles, than around the conservative/traditional sociocultural agenda.

Free/market/small-government principles cut across the lines of gender, socio-economic status, race and age. You get a following of people committed to a political philosophy, rather than a loosely allied coalition of disparate groups all vying for access to the public trough (which is what the Democrat Party is becoming).

[GOPJ]

Complete humilation:

...the Democratic Party threw all its big guns into the state including all its presidential candidates, Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Jesse Jackson. Thirty-nine percent of union households voted for the Republican and thirty percent of Hispanics – despite the fact the Democrat Bustamante would have been the first Hispanic governor in history if he had won.

[Gal.5:1]

The liberals are definitely annoyed today!

[Hostage]

You are confusing consevative perspectives with libertarian bents.

Conservatives view human behavior with a protective eye, what has worked and what is practical.

Sodomy is unhealthy, dirty. It also confuses the young.

Conservatives view government as a competitor to the market place. Where there is a natural market for government such as national security, there is toleration of government taxes.

[.cnI redruM]

>>>>>>Arnold has created a new Republican coalition that has raised the Republican Party from the dead and produced an electoral landslide in the process. In a state which Republicans lost by a million votes in the last presidential election (without the Democrats having to spend a penny in the state) the combined Republican vote may have exceeded 60 percent -- an electoral landslide.

Trump that, Dr. Dean.....

[Jack Black]

Yes, but the characterization that Republicans care about legislating peoples "personal lives" is a slander and a lie. The Republicans have not introduced legislation having to do with what you do in your bedroom, though to talk to many liberals you would think they have.

The actual point of contention is the abortion debate, which logically involves at least 4 individuals: the mother, the father, the child fetus, and the doctor. Thus, it is in no sense honest to say that the abortion debate is just about "consenting adults behavior" .. notice the presence of the intended abortion victim, who is neither adult nor consenting. Notice also the presence of the Doctor, a profession that is controlled and licensed in nearly every aspect of the practice of their craft. Finally please note that few abortions take place "in the bedroom". The debate is about what takes place in the operating room.

Please avoid using the bogus terms of the left to describe the political situation in these United States. It gives aid and comfort to the clueless leftists who would turn us into serfs.

[Joe Hadenuf]

The greatest state of the greatest country on earth

[Scott from the Left Coast]

Arnold simply tapped into an old political playbook: "Do no harm" (do not scare those who are easily frightened), consistently bring an upbeat, positive message and attract the Independents and those on the middle edges of your base and your opponent's base. He found those "Reagan" Democrats again (18% of registered Democrats voted for him yesterday)

As populations become more urban and the politics more evenly divided (which is a great gain in California, where they had not been divided for at least a decade), this tactic becomes more and more critical to victory. When you can get 55% of the Independents (a polar swing in California, where prior to yesterday the Indies were 55-45 the other way for a decade) and take 18% of your opposition's vote from him, you simply cannot lose.

In many states of the south or great plains or mountain west, such strategies as this are not necessary. In the more urbanized states of the east, Great Lakes and on the very wacky west coast, this is how you win.

Now Arnold must cut some unpopular taxes and relieve some unpopular business burdens to seal the deal in California. And it wouldn't be too terribly surprising to see the voters in Washington and Oregon take notice if California gets its act together. These two other west coast states are only a half-step behind California on the path to the big cliff.

[DoctorZIn]

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[finnman69]

Awesome. And despite the typical patrhtic predictable spin from the Terry McAuliffes and the Bob Mullhollands, this was a HUGE win for the GOP and HUGE defeat for the RATS as detailed above.

[blackie]

David Horowitz really nails it!

[John Valentine]

Referring back to your post:

What I said was not an argument, it was an observation. The fact that many so-called conservatives what to use government coercion as a means of social control - just as do the libs is not an argument against government coerciaon by either party. That is for another time and place, or it is accepted as a given as I thought to be the case here.

Rather I was only pointing out a significant point of commonality between two groups with not much in common except their willingness to use the poweer and force of the state to enforce their will on unwilling others that they see as the cause of all the trouble.

A truly conservative idiology is one that permits both gays and straights the freedom to engage in any form of consensual adult sex they like - in the bedroom with the door closed, thank you very much.

[hopespringseternal]

I've actualy always thought that the conservative position that wishes to legislate sexual behaviour amongest consenting adults to be rather contradictory to a true conservative value.

I must have missed this, since when have conservatives been in favor of sex police? Why do people take the claims of known liberal liars at face value?

[blackie]

So, you didn't vote for Arnie, eh ~

He won without you ~ Big Time! :-/

[wardaddy]

No doubt Arnold has a cult of personality.

[jordan8]

This election is a one-off event. How many Hollywood superstars can the Republicans dig up? And even he could only be elected by bending over backwards on many social issues. Plus, the establishment in Califas is still overwhelmingly leftist Democrat. Getting an R after elected officials names at all costs can't be the ultimate measure of success.

[Tempest]

"you just failed the test of principle: we are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves so we have to rely on others making decisions for us. But if we are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves, how is it possible to make decisions for others??"

That's hardly the point I was trying to make. I'mnot quite sure if you took my words out of context simply because I don't adhere to your philosophy or if you honestly misunderstood what I was trying to say.

I'm not saying that individuals are too stupid to make their own choices. I never said that. I said that I'm suspicuous towards people under the influence of a CONTROL SUBSTANCE and that I doubted their ability to fully gauge their competance nor maintain the same level of self control in which they would when not under the influence of such substances.

[Tempest]

??? I'm not quite sure that you understood my post.

[hunter112]

I noted the comparison with the Jesse Ventura election in Minnesota. There's one giant important difference here: Jesse thought he had no chance of winning. He was trying to poke a stick in the eyes of both parties, to scare them into getting out of "business as usual", a phrase Arnold used well in last night's victory speech. The night of Ventura's election, I had my browser turned toward his website, there was a live feed from Jesse's "victory party", which was just really intended to be a drinking party to celebrate the end of the campaign. There was genuine shock and amazement in the room, among the staffers, the supporters, and even Ventura himself.

Arnie always intended to win, and to govern. He's succeeded at nearly everything he's ever attempted (the Planet Hollywood restaurant failure is the only thing that comes to mind on the minus side), and he has no intention to fail at being governor.

It hit me while I was watching him after his victory speech, here was the sister of JFK and Bobby Kennedy, and George McGovern's 1972 running mate, all of them icons of the past that the liberals want to drag us back to, cheering Arnold on his path to the Governor's office! It must have stuck mightily in the collective craw of our enemies, to see that Arnold has succeeded in getting these people, their heroes, to love him that much.