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“Tom Can’t Win”? Wrong – Do the Math – Silent Switch Makes McClintock Governor
9-22-03

Posted on 09/22/2003 7:28:24 AM PDT by tallhappy

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To: EggsAckley; Tamsey; PhiKapMom
What? What?!!

The author forgot to include eye-of-newt, ear-of-bat and shavings of horn-of-rhino in his formula. That's where he got it wrong! You mix those things in and dance around the bubbling cauldron in your underwear chanting selected passages from Ayn Rand, and McClintock can squeak it out!

141 posted on 09/22/2003 9:38:39 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: All
Everyone has to stop this and recognize reality.

Winning Matters. If you don't win, you accomplish nothing. Pretending otherwise is equivalent to Jesse Jackson's "We sent them a message" quotes when he dropped out of the Dem nomination race several years ago (after losing primary after primary). It is self aggrandizing ego to pretend that running and losing is a significant accomplishment.

Winning Matters. Losing Crushes. If you lose, you award the Democrats control and the power to spend *your* tax dollars as they see fit. If that is what you want, then take the action that best ensures a Democrat victory.
142 posted on 09/22/2003 9:39:22 AM PDT by Owen
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To: tallhappy
"In liberalizing the Republican Party, liberals have two parties to do their bidding. What they do from without -- pressuring Republicans to compromise their principles -- Schwarzenegger can do from within." --- George Neumayr
143 posted on 09/22/2003 9:40:30 AM PDT by Afronaut (No convictions must be painless....)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
ROFLOL!!!!!!!! You made burst out laughing with that one! You do have a point!
144 posted on 09/22/2003 9:40:37 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicron Pi Mom too! -- Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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To: tallhappy
If you do not care for my point of view, you are certainly at liberty so say so. My physical location is really not of interest in our discussion.

This California election is of central importance to national politics both for the immediately coming election cycle and I suspect for decades to come. What the "McClintock" faction is doing can have very bad consequences not only in the media and Washington but in Wisconsin politics as well. You guys are further marginalizing the Right. The Left is counting on it.

145 posted on 09/22/2003 9:41:36 AM PDT by Iris7
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To: Iris7
Perhaps you will come to regret your present point of view.

Perhaps.

146 posted on 09/22/2003 9:41:59 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
LOL!
147 posted on 09/22/2003 9:43:08 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........I *LOVE* hitting the abuse button...............)
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To: NathanR; tallhappy; JCEccles; All
Schwarzenegger's strategic mistakes
148 posted on 09/22/2003 9:45:02 AM PDT by SteveH ((Californians for, like, you know, Moon Unit!!!))
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To: Owen
Winning Matters. If you don't win, you accomplish nothing.

Yes. I agree. I am not a purist.

I do not want Schwarzenegger to win.

McClintock is the best candidate. Bustamante is horrible and I do not want him to win either.

But he does less long term harm than Schwarzenegger.

A Schwarzenegger victory effectvely ends the Republican party as a conservative party. Not an ideological pure party - but one that is on balance more conservative than liberal.

149 posted on 09/22/2003 9:45:03 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Iris7
My physical location is really not of interest in our discussion.

Actually it is to a large degree. Not fully, though, and your interest and contributions are appreciated.

150 posted on 09/22/2003 9:46:52 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
Bustamante is horrible and I do not want him to win either. But he does less long term harm than Schwarzenegger.

Ah, your true allegience is showing. You would RATHER have Bustamante.

151 posted on 09/22/2003 9:47:27 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........I *LOVE* hitting the abuse button...............)
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To: Iris7
This California election is of central importance to national politics both for the immediately coming election cycle and I suspect for decades to come. What the "McClintock" faction is doing can have very bad consequences not only in the media and Washington but in Wisconsin politics as well. You guys are further marginalizing the Right. The Left is counting on it.

With all due respect, you've got it exactly wrong. What will marginalize conservatives is the media trotting out Arnold as a Republican who represents mainstream conservative views. Against abortion? You're an extremist! Don't want a network of hydrogen fueling stations? Extremist!

And so on.

152 posted on 09/22/2003 9:49:16 AM PDT by NittanyLion (Go Tom Go!)
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To: tallhappy
As far as casinos. I think Schwarzenegger is more likley to invite Vegas concerns in to build casinos. That's worse than "Indian gaming" to my mind.

There you go again -- saying what Arnold is more likely to do when you have absolutely "zero" credibility about Arnold and that issue has never been discussed but you state it anyway! Actually IMO the Indian gambling is just as bad -- if you think the Indians are controlling it without organized crime think again -- organized crime would not permit that to happen. You can bet if they were not getting a piece of the action, there would be strikes of workers, etc. Don't be so naive! Arnold is right -- you don't take contributions from someone who you will be negotiating with as Governor. Shame McC doens't see it the same way!

153 posted on 09/22/2003 9:49:58 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicron Pi Mom too! -- Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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To: Iris7
This California election is of central importance to national politics both for the immediately coming election cycle and I suspect for decades to come.

A bit of hyperbole imho, but assuming true, why cheer for the political newbie who is afraid to debate and is starting to be infected by foot-in-mouth disease whenever he does? The election campaigning is getting exponentially harder, and Arnold can only keep up the act that he knows what he is doing for so long. The last political newbie we ran was Simon, in 2002, and you know the rest of that story.

BTW was that another election of central importance to Wisconsin?

(bracing for the "governor-is-not-rocket-science" response ;-)

154 posted on 09/22/2003 9:52:20 AM PDT by SteveH ((Californians for, like, you know, Moon Unit!!!))
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To: EggsAckley
I am intellectually honest and open.

I do think I'd rather see Bustamante win than Schwarzenegger.

It is hard for me to believe I have that opinion.

I am the one who came up with the slogan Cruz Must Lose.

Schwarzenegger has really turned me off after initially being enthusiastic that we could actually damage the dems.

I now see him as worse than Bustamante in the long run.

Others understand this as well.

I, though, would never recommend a vote for Bustamante or supporting him overtly. We are in a lose lose situation.

Lose lose lose actually.

155 posted on 09/22/2003 9:52:20 AM PDT by tallhappy
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You said, "Schwarzenegger may well be more detrimental to California and the nation than either recall failing or Bustamante being elected."

Substitute "would" for the words "may well" in your sentence mentally. The difference between your sentence as you wrote it and after the subsitution is of miniscule dimension.

Please think of what you are saying, and what sort of people agree with your statement. Boxer, Feinstein, Davis, and Streisand for four.

156 posted on 09/22/2003 9:52:25 AM PDT by Iris7
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To: PhiKapMom
hat issue has never been discussed but you state it anyway!

Hugh Hewitt discussed it at length as a sort of "gambling card" Schwarzenegger could play.

157 posted on 09/22/2003 9:53:48 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: EggsAckley
Maybe you can explain to me how electing Bustamante is going to strengthen conservatives when it is going to hurt Republicans for any future gains?

Every Republican I know is going to blame McC for any loss and what that does is make them turn away from conservatives even more in CA!

Don't see the reasoning by these McC folks but it is there for us all to see -- Cruz is better than Arnold! In their mind elect a 100% pro-abort, tax raising, illegal immigrant loving RAT like Cruz who you agree with none of the time to teach the Republicans a lesson that they should have a nominated a conservative who played the role of spoiler!

What am I missing here?
158 posted on 09/22/2003 9:54:04 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicron Pi Mom too! -- Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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To: Iris7
Those four don't agree. They don't think recall losing would be detrimental.

Make you case. I will listen.

159 posted on 09/22/2003 9:55:54 AM PDT by tallhappy
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While Real Clear Politics isn't very credible, McClintock still CAN win.

Polls in general have a bad track record in recent years. Polls had John Engler with 38%. He won with slightly over 50%. Polls had Debbie Stabusall losing to Spence Abraham. Nope. Internal polls had Joe Hune at a distant third in the GOP primary. He won. Polls had Jesse Ventura losing in Minnesota.

1. The only poll that matters is on ELECTION DAY.
2. A vote for McClintock is ONLY a vote for McClintock. Those that whine about it being a vote for Cruz need to try and earn those votes instead of having the leftist sense of entitlement. If you think he's entitled to it, you should go to DU and join the liberals since entitlements are leftist. Arnold isn't entitled to jack. Neither is anyone else.
3. A vote for Arnold is a vote for Arnold.
4. A vote for Cruz is a vote for Cruz.
5. ANYONE of the three can win.

160 posted on 09/22/2003 9:55:59 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (There are two things in the middle of the road. Roadkill, and a yellow stripe.)
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