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Its Time to Cast a Worried Eye Toward Yellowstone
YOWUSA ^ | 8/22/03 | Larry Park & Marshall Masters

Posted on 09/02/2003 8:36:03 PM PDT by Dixielander

Yesterday afternoon, a 4.4 magnitude earthquake occurred just 9 miles southeast of the south entrance to Yellowstone National Park. According to the USGS, “It is unlikely that there is a connection or triggering mechanism of the earthquake with the increased hydrothermal activity at Norris Geyser Basin, which is about 35 miles from the epicenter or with hydrothermal features in Yellowstone Lake that have received recent publicity.” However, given the shallow depth of this quake, the volcanism model developed by Larry Park has suddenly lurched us a huge step towards a worst-case eruption event.

Simply put, anyone living within 600 miles of Yellowstone could be sitting in a modern day Pompeii. In addition, for those living outside this area and West of the Mississippi river, there could be grievous consequences as well because systemic processes are now building beneath Yellowstone, that paint a very clear picture of a major eruption event in its early stages

In this article, Larry Park will present the science behind his warning. However, as the publisher of YOWUSA.COM, I wish to put some context to all this in layman’s terms as now as I personally feel the time has come for everyone living west of the Mississippi to become aware and to begin making a calm and deliberate assessment of the facts. This especially applies to those presently living within 600 miles of Yellowstone. However, what does the USGS say?

USGS, 07-February-2003

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: earthquake; usgs; volcano; yellowstone
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To: UCANSEE2
I've been following this discussion, expecially between you and "interesting times" and I'd like to ask a general question of all. Does anyone here think that the only influence of the planet Mars on this planet is a gravitational one?

It's true the solar system/universe obeys mechanical laws, but does this mean that it therefore follows that it is all just mechanical? Our bodies follow mechanical laws but I suggest that our existence is much more than just a mechanical/chemical/scientificly explained existence.

In fact I would go so far as to say that we don't know squat. Everything we claim to know is theory, and all our theories will be someday replaced by even better theories, by those who think they know.

141 posted on 09/04/2003 11:34:51 AM PDT by Do Be
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To: Do Be
I've been following this discussion, expecially between you and "interesting times" and I'd like to ask a general question of all. Does anyone here think that the only influence of the planet Mars on this planet is a gravitational one?

Of course not. There's also the influence of Mars on Earthoid art and literature.

It's true the solar system/universe obeys mechanical laws, but does this mean that it therefore follows that it is all just mechanical? Our bodies follow mechanical laws but I suggest that our existence is much more than just a mechanical/chemical/scientificly explained existence.

If I follow your reasoning correctly, you're suggesting that Mars is alive, and doesn't much like us.

Perhaps we should sacrifice a chicken.

In fact I would go so far as to say that we don't know squat. Everything we claim to know is theory, and all our theories will be someday replaced by even better theories, by those who think they know.

But how do you know that? Isn't this just your own theory of knowledge, which is therefore meaningless by your own argument?

How can you claim we know nothing, and also speak as though your own opinion is uncontestable fact?

So maybe your "we don't know squat" epistemology doesn't apply to everybody.

Worse, what if it's just you?

142 posted on 09/04/2003 12:01:02 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Tag line. You're it.)
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To: Bernard Marx
....we have direct present-day evidence of where the ash went.....

Check out the Badlands all over the west between Yellowstone and perhapd Missouri. The ash is palinly visible in South Dakota.

143 posted on 09/04/2003 12:49:54 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: okkev68
I hate to poach on Blam's turf, but he recommends a book titled "From Exodus to Arthur" It describe several very old references to catastrophes including several in the Bible. The thrust is rememberances of comets rather than volcanos.

(how am I doing Blam? have I achieved desciplehood?)

144 posted on 09/04/2003 12:57:18 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: UCANSEE2
....wherein lies the answer.....

He talks about scalar this and that. How about scaler Martian gravity resonance waves?

145 posted on 09/04/2003 1:00:33 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: Do Be
If you have been following the posts, as you say, I think you will see that that has been my point. I started with Gravity but expressed curiousity about whether the influence is not gravity, but some other unknown force.
146 posted on 09/04/2003 2:06:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Interesting Times
How can you claim we know nothing, and also speak as though your own opinion is uncontestable fact? So maybe your "we don't know squat" epistemology doesn't apply to everybody. Worse, what if it's just you?

I'll answer. First it is just me. My own opinion is uncontestable fact, and I can absolutely prove that I actually don't know a damn thing at all. He who knows nothing knows all there is to know.

147 posted on 09/04/2003 2:10:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
Thanks for sharing.
148 posted on 09/04/2003 2:14:26 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Tag line. You're it.)
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To: flying Elvis
What if the measurements are nothing more than part of a 1,000 year cycle? This is the same mistake the environazi's make. They take data from a miniscule amount of time geologically speaking and attempt to say that it indicates the worst. So, who knows?

Very true, but some say that the tilting of the lake on the caldera floor indicates a worst case event has begun.

The last "big" event thru europe into a mini ice age. France was frozen for decades. I like that!
149 posted on 09/04/2003 2:37:03 PM PDT by LittleJoe
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To: Interesting Times
Hey, a little sarcasm was due.

Seriously, though, one does wonder what, if anything at all, causes the rise of magma, or hotter regions of magma to directly under thin regions of the crust, where the resultant effect is volcanic activity. Is it due to electromagnetism? Convection currents? Flux of solar radiation? ALL of the above?

150 posted on 09/04/2003 2:41:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Dixielander
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151 posted on 09/04/2003 2:50:41 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS; An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Seriously, though, one does wonder what, if anything at all, causes the rise of magma, or hotter regions of magma to directly under thin regions of the crust, where the resultant effect is volcanic activity. Is it due to electromagnetism? Convection currents? Flux of solar radiation? ALL of the above?

Yes, one does wonder. But one seems to make little effort to find out.

When I enter your phrase "rise of magma" on Google, I get 282 hits, including this.

It's astonishing what you can learn if you actually go look around.

152 posted on 09/04/2003 2:52:09 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Tag line. You're it.)
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To: UCANSEE2
I'll throw in my two scents. I remember when I was young I was outside in upstate NY watching a total lunar eclipse. That night, they had a big event in the LA basin, I think it was 6.5+. Ever since I have thought there was a connection.

Now, living in the PNW, I have been watching the USGS pages. There seems to be two times that have quake increases. (With apologies to any professional geologists out there, this is not very scientific).

Full moons and New Moons.

And in watching these patterns, I have noticed that the far greater seems to be the New moon, which I couldn't figure out why there seemed to be such a significant difference until recently.

During a new moon, the moons and the suns gravity is all lined up, from the (near) same point in space. The part of the earth that is dusk is moving away from this point, and ever so slightly, being slowed down. The part of the earth that is morning is falling towards the moon/sun, and ever so slightly being speeded up.
During a full moon, the mmons gravity partially recompenses for the suns, so even though there are high tidal effects at full moon, it is not as pronounced as new moon.

I also expected some increases due to Mars. But if my above theory holds true, it is like a full moon effect, and not that big.

The big one might come next Jun 8th. Venus, at that time will be in inferior conjunction, and quite close to the earth. Also, it will transit the sun for the first time in the last 121 years. The new moon of that period is about Jun 16th.
153 posted on 09/04/2003 3:08:18 PM PDT by djf
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To: djf
Thank you. Some very useful, and applicable information.
154 posted on 09/04/2003 3:26:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Interesting Times
Of course not. There's also the influence of Mars on Earthoid art and literature.

When ucansee2 referred to your patronization, he was telling you in a nice way that you come across as a know-it-all. You appear to believe that facts are knowledge, and that the one with the most facts is the smartest, the most knowing. So in you come with a bunch of facts, and in a cutesy way let everyone know that you think you are very intelligent.

If I follow your reasoning correctly, you're suggesting that Mars is alive, and doesn't much like us.

Wrong answer, but thanks for playing.

Perhaps we should sacrifice a chicken.

In one quick step you go from superior to smart-ass. No bonus points here, either.

In fact I would go so far as to say that we don't know squat. Everything we claim to know is theory, and all our theories will be someday replaced by even better theories, by those who think they know.

But how do you know that? Isn't this just your own theory of knowledge, which is therefore meaningless by your own argument?

Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting. It doesn't take much imagination to realize that any one thing we now hold to be true, we may someday learn isn't so. Our recorded history is a long record of learning that what men believe changes with new information and insight.

So maybe your "we don't know squat" epistemology doesn't apply to everybody.

Obviously, it does not apply to you. You are someone who knows a lot.

Worse, what if it's just you?

Why would that be worse? If I am the only one who doesn't know squat, I would think that would be a very good thing.

You appear to believe that it is important to be right. You're not. I'm not.

You sound like someone who has stopped learning. Like you think you've figured it all out. You already know what's real. Oh, there are more facts for you to collect, and when you get them you'll think you're even smarter and better than your already elevated state.

There is a whole world of knowledge you have apparently not stumbled upon yet. What you will learn, if you do, is that everything you know is wrong.

155 posted on 09/04/2003 3:38:05 PM PDT by Do Be
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To: Interesting Times
While searching the internet for information is a wonderful time consuming feature, I also like to participate in discussion and conjecture. Sometimes someone actually knows much about a subject (like you) and can quickly boil the total of their knowledge down to a few sentences and enlighten an astonished group of FR readers.

I am not demanding you spend all your time educating me, but I find FR a very good place to acquire knowledge.

How about if every time you asked a question on FR, everyone told you to go find the answer yourself, using the search facility? Might tend to make you think it was an unfriendly place, occupied by self-absorbed intellectuals without social skills or common courtesy?

I appreciate the links and will spend time researching this more, as I love to learn.

But, I also like to discuss. I hope you don't mind too much. You have been so helpful, and quite polite, and I do appreciate it.

156 posted on 09/04/2003 3:38:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Interesting Times
P.S. The link to 'this', was interesting, but did not explain why at all. It simply referred to this study being an aid to attempts to figure this out. The title looked promising, but failed in the delivery.
157 posted on 09/04/2003 3:41:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
If you have been following the posts, as you say, I think you will see that that has been my point. I started with Gravity but expressed curiousity about whether the influence is not gravity, but some other unknown force.

Yes, it has been fun reading your posts.

I know someone who has invented a product, or rather improved a product so much it is almost a different product. He said he could have never done it if he wasn't an "outsider". Very large companies have been trying to accomplish what he has for about 20 years. He just looked at it from a new angle.

Nice to have made your acquaintance.

158 posted on 09/04/2003 3:47:57 PM PDT by Do Be
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To: djf; UCANSEE2
Go here:

http://www.syzygyjob.org/

Lunar influence on earthquakes.

I didn't feel the one an hour or so ago...
159 posted on 09/04/2003 8:32:15 PM PDT by null and void (*sigh* The earth didn't move for me...)
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To: RayChuang88
And Toba was only 1/10th of the largest Yellowstone eruption.
160 posted on 09/04/2003 10:01:45 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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