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To: Do Be
I've been following this discussion, expecially between you and "interesting times" and I'd like to ask a general question of all. Does anyone here think that the only influence of the planet Mars on this planet is a gravitational one?

Of course not. There's also the influence of Mars on Earthoid art and literature.

It's true the solar system/universe obeys mechanical laws, but does this mean that it therefore follows that it is all just mechanical? Our bodies follow mechanical laws but I suggest that our existence is much more than just a mechanical/chemical/scientificly explained existence.

If I follow your reasoning correctly, you're suggesting that Mars is alive, and doesn't much like us.

Perhaps we should sacrifice a chicken.

In fact I would go so far as to say that we don't know squat. Everything we claim to know is theory, and all our theories will be someday replaced by even better theories, by those who think they know.

But how do you know that? Isn't this just your own theory of knowledge, which is therefore meaningless by your own argument?

How can you claim we know nothing, and also speak as though your own opinion is uncontestable fact?

So maybe your "we don't know squat" epistemology doesn't apply to everybody.

Worse, what if it's just you?

142 posted on 09/04/2003 12:01:02 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Tag line. You're it.)
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To: Interesting Times
How can you claim we know nothing, and also speak as though your own opinion is uncontestable fact? So maybe your "we don't know squat" epistemology doesn't apply to everybody. Worse, what if it's just you?

I'll answer. First it is just me. My own opinion is uncontestable fact, and I can absolutely prove that I actually don't know a damn thing at all. He who knows nothing knows all there is to know.

147 posted on 09/04/2003 2:10:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Interesting Times
Of course not. There's also the influence of Mars on Earthoid art and literature.

When ucansee2 referred to your patronization, he was telling you in a nice way that you come across as a know-it-all. You appear to believe that facts are knowledge, and that the one with the most facts is the smartest, the most knowing. So in you come with a bunch of facts, and in a cutesy way let everyone know that you think you are very intelligent.

If I follow your reasoning correctly, you're suggesting that Mars is alive, and doesn't much like us.

Wrong answer, but thanks for playing.

Perhaps we should sacrifice a chicken.

In one quick step you go from superior to smart-ass. No bonus points here, either.

In fact I would go so far as to say that we don't know squat. Everything we claim to know is theory, and all our theories will be someday replaced by even better theories, by those who think they know.

But how do you know that? Isn't this just your own theory of knowledge, which is therefore meaningless by your own argument?

Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting. It doesn't take much imagination to realize that any one thing we now hold to be true, we may someday learn isn't so. Our recorded history is a long record of learning that what men believe changes with new information and insight.

So maybe your "we don't know squat" epistemology doesn't apply to everybody.

Obviously, it does not apply to you. You are someone who knows a lot.

Worse, what if it's just you?

Why would that be worse? If I am the only one who doesn't know squat, I would think that would be a very good thing.

You appear to believe that it is important to be right. You're not. I'm not.

You sound like someone who has stopped learning. Like you think you've figured it all out. You already know what's real. Oh, there are more facts for you to collect, and when you get them you'll think you're even smarter and better than your already elevated state.

There is a whole world of knowledge you have apparently not stumbled upon yet. What you will learn, if you do, is that everything you know is wrong.

155 posted on 09/04/2003 3:38:05 PM PDT by Do Be
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