Posted on 08/11/2003 11:58:06 AM PDT by The Right Stuff
Schism, and Soon
by Jennifer King, Managing Editor
August 11, 2003
"The Heretical Housewife"
As a practicing Episcopalian, I am dismayed and horrified at the recent vote to promote the Reverend V. Gene Robinson (right) to the Bishopric of New Hampshire. Surely, the church has gone mad.
Explicit warnings against homosexuality in the Bible go back to the earliest known texts. Homosexuality has been regarded as a grevious sin, an abomination and a particular sin against God, who created the institution of marriage between men and women. The Episcopalian clergy who voted for this man seem to have ignored both Scripture and historic Church teachings willfully. Appearing on the Today Show, Bishop Thomas Shaw of Massachusetts and Bishop Edward Salmon of South Carolina argued the points. In opposition, Bishop Salmon said, It would violate the traditions of the Church, the teachings of Scripture and the Constitution of the Church. Bishop Shaw, a strong supporter of Robinson, replied with a barrage of liberal goobledygook, We dont only respond to Scripture. We respond to reason and to Jesus message of love. Shaw further asserted that, It is time. It is a new day. A new day indeed when the desires of men outweigh the Word of God.
The pro-Robinson prelates seemed to exhibit a vast moral and theological confusion which makes one wonder why they picked their chosen career. The Reverend Carol Flanagan, when asked if she believed that the Bible was the incarnate Word of God, replied that she wasnt sure. Other Episcopalian Bishops, like Bishop Shaw, asserted that they werent that concerned with Scripture because they were being led by the Holy Spirit. A Spirit may indeed be leading them, but I highly doubt that it is holy.
The troubling aspects of the Robinson case unfolded rapidly. Bishop Robinson, in 1986, abandoned his wife and two young daughters in order to move in with his homosexual partner, Mark Andrew. Surely, such pure selfishness and egotism should be enough to disqualify anyone from posing as a humble man of God. Hubris, however, appears to be Bishop Robinsons strong point. The Bishop described his divorce from his wife as involving a bizarre ceremony in the church, where they disavowed their vows and shared communion - thereby blatantly breaking yet another Church injunction against profaning the Lords Table.
Most egregiously, Bishop Robinson is not posing as a sinner in desperate need of Gods redemption. Rather, Bishop Robinson is living openly with his partner, in an active homosexual lifestyle which further defies the churchs teachings on extramarital sex. Far from being ashamed and penitent, Bishop Robinson appears defiant and boastful. Greed, lust and pride - three of the Seven Deadly Sins - were never previously viewed as qualifications for promotion in the Church.
Pride, in particular, is regarded as the deadliest of the sins, for it involves vanity and the glorification of the self. St. Thomas Aquinas said, Inordinate self-love is the cause of every sin. A Christian is supposed to subdue his will to that of Gods. It is difficult to believe that God would have Bishop Robinson leave his family in order to live as an open Sodomite, much less to profane the church with his unrepentant sin.
The willingness of Bishop Robinson to subject the church he supposedly loves to this trial provides another illustrative point. Apparently, it was more important for Bishop Robinson to have a justification of his lifestyle than it was for him to step down and save the church from schism. Further selfish action from an exceedingly self-indulgent man. A man whose egotism and heresy should have precluded him from being even nominated as a candidate for Bishop, or priest, for that matter. Proving his apostasy further, Bishop Robinsons first act as Bishop was to repair - not to New Hampshire - but to New York where he spoke at a U.N. panel which denounced Catholicism for not embracing deviancy the way the Anglicans have.
So schism it is, sooner rather than later, with determination and faith. Devout Episcopalians must not rollover for this outrage against the Church. Some have argued against schism - after all, most Episcopal real estate is owned by the denomination, not individual congregations. Those who split must leave, and very valuable real estate is thus left in the hands of the apostate lavender lobby which has infiltrated and poisoned it. It is a fallacious argument. Are we eager to embrace Mammon, or be like the Apostles - who left everything behind when Jesus said to follow him. It is time. It is, indeed, a new day. ***
© 2003 Jennifer King
Maybe she/he should be sure before guiding their congragation.
What Homosexuals Say About Homosexuals - Is This Gay Behavior Sick?
""Let´s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90´s (1989).
In Chapter Six, they outline ten categories of misbehavior, drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays.
The authors say a surprisingly high percentage of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one´s own gayness and its implications.
They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments. Gay morality boils down to If it feels good, I´ll do it! If a gay feels like seducing a trusted friend´s lover, he´ll do it, justifying it as an act of sexual freedom and the friend be damned.
They say gays suffer from a narcissistic personality disorder and they give this clinical description: pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.
The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.
It's true that they are morally and thologically confused. Why did they pick their chosen career? It's part of a well planned and very well funded campaign being waged by the homosexual community to infiltrate the Church and undermine and destroy it's moral authority
An excerpt from: The Overhauling of Straight America:
"While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science and Public Opinion (the shield and word of that accursed secular humanism). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here..."
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
How come these people aren't pressuring poor denominations? Why aren't they infiltrating denominations which control their property as individual congregations?
I think we all know the answer. The liberals and gays want the real estate and the endowments. They don't want that little old Assembly of God storefront church who rents space from a landlord.
Did "Selfish Gene" Robinson REALLY speak at a UN panel? Which one? If thsi is true, it is very interesting. William E. Swing, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of California, and a supporter of Robinson, is the founding spirit behind the "United Religions Initiative" (URI), and serves on its Global Council as President and Founding Trustee. The URI is a UN-based organization whose goal is to produce a "New World Religion" for the "globalist order"!!!!
It is quite easy to document that the liberal, apostate wing of the Episcopal church--the same ones who are active supporters of the gay cabal--are KNEE-DEEP in the anti-Christian New World Religion!!! If Robinson himeself is involved in URI, and even uses its platform to try to undermine Christian denominations that oppose both the gay agenda and URI, that would "close the circle"!!!!
Very true. My parents are members of one of the small conservative splinter Anglican churches that broke with Canterbury after the ordination of women and the overhaul of the 1928 prayer book. Their journey over the past twenty-five years has been a sad tale of schism begetting schism, with ever-smaller and ever-older parishes that disagree over minor points of liturgy and splinter again.
I am coming to think my spiritual home is in the Anglican Use movement within the Roman Catholic Church. Whatever their problems with gay infiltrators, at least they formally stand for unity and steadfastness in opposing heresy.
-ccm
This describes perfectly most of the Bush-hating, self-proclaimed "real conservatives" on FR.
Very true. My parents are members of one of the small conservative splinter Anglican churches that broke with Canterbury after the ordination of women and the overhaul of the 1928 prayer book. Their journey over the past twenty-five years has been a sad tale of schism begetting schism, with ever-smaller and ever-older parishes that disagree over minor points of liturgy and splinter again. I enjoy visiting and hearing the beloved cadences of 1928, but they seem totally lacking in the spirit of Christian unity.
There are at least four traditionalist Anglican church organizations in this country, and a number of unaffiliated churches like my parents'. If they could come together with traditionalists left behind in the Episcopal church, as well as the overseas Anglican provinces that are considering breaking with the American Episcopal Church, perhaps there would be hope for a traditionalist province that parallelled the main church in this country and yet remained in communion with Canterbury.
Otherwise, the only option for those who value both unity and orthodoxy will be reconciliation with Rome and adoption of the Anglican Use liturgy.
-ccm
-ccm
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