MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL

http://www.icr.org/research/icc03/pdf/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf ^

[fishtank]

PDF file.

[Labyrinthos]

BUT also remember that believing in evolution is heresy and could land you in that eternal fire pit in a cell right next to Hitler Qusay and Uday ... after all ... one sin no matter how small or how heinous is all it takes to land you there ... forever ... no chance to learn the errors of your ways ... no chance to redeem yourself .... just pure revenge (/what a crock of crap mode OFF)

Yup, what ever happened to the all-loving, all-forgiving God that I learned about back in Sunday School. If the American Taliban had their way, I could expect to be dragged from my house in the middle of the night and stoned to death for even questioning the "science" of creationism.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the beautiful excerpt and link! Hugs!!!

[Havoc]

Now lets look up some info on a couple of these bad boys - Brachiosaurus - 25 meters long, 70 tons; Diplodocus - 45 meters long, 30 tons; Titanosaurus - 20 meters long, 7 tons; Barosaurus - 25 meters long, 40 tons

And lets now list the assumptions you've weighed into.

1. None of these beasts was water going.
2. None of these were extinct by that time.
3. All of these were not extinct by that time.
4. Unknown factors.

The flood story is not a point by point recollection of everything Noah did. It's a general story that shows the high points and tells what needs to be relayed as opposed to showing every detail down to how many times noah cut himself and how much manuer got shoveled over the side.

It is a story told in 260 cultures if memory serves. It has more evidence for it and from more sources than are involved in a typical murder investigation and the details largely corraborate the guts of the story just about no matter what version is told. The variations are largely in the names. The central point of a global catastrophe exists in all the versions. And it is born out in the geological evidences. The only people discounting the story are people who don't want to admit it could be true. It isn't that there is no evidence, the evidence is there. It's that people of an ideological bent have decided they not only don't believe it, they won't even consider it.

A boat the length of a football stadium and several stories tall would house the animals of the time. No problem. It was a survival mission - not a trip to a luxury resort. The same people who try to argue against this do so in the face of modern aircraft carriers with less capacity that house 3500+ people, A volume of fuel that a wooden boat wouldn't need, Food for the crew for a 6 month tour. Aircraft, emergency vehicles, a power plant several stories tall...

[js1138]

If something is slowing the speed of light, then the universe is older than we had calculated, not younger.

Your requirement for logic in posts is equivalent to name calling. Knock it off.

[js1138]

I can see it now, Noah sneaking from nesting site to nesting site stealing eggs/young of T-Rex, Allosaurus, Albertosaurus, Velociraptor, etc.. That would be more of a story than sitting in a boat for 40 days.

No, no. the eggs came to him.

[longshadow]

Bonus question:

To what phase of the stellar life-cycle do Cepheid Variables belong?

[50sDad]

1) So Christians should have dismissed a young C.S. Lewis as too "scientific" and ignored him?

2) Good heavens you are myopic! Where do you get that because I don't take Genesis as literal fact, I somehow doubt the existance of a physical devil? Where have I indicated that?

[Nataku X]

Why would evolution mean that the scene in the Garden of Eden didn't happen? Why would evolution contradict the concept of Original Sin?

Physical and spiritual immorality was only promised to Adam & Eve, and it is implied that it would have been promised to their offspring. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that parakeets were destined to live forever.

[Theophilus]

Fool me once, shame on the Bible. Fool me twice shame on the Christian. I think every Christian stinks with more or less hypocrisy at some level, including myself. But picking and choosing from the Bible that's the worst form: "I believe in God but he stutters and is given to delusions of grandeur something fierce. Why, he starts out by telling whoppers and never lets up the whole way through!"

There is no provision for resurrection in evolution. Evolution says: Christ did not survive, Christ did not reproduce, Christ was not fittest.

If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

[clamper1797]

Yup, what ever happened to the all-loving, all-forgiving God that I learned about back in Sunday School

Oh ... he's there ... unless you piss him off ... (how can a perfect being get pissed off ??? ) but don't sin cause God will have no choice (how can an omnipotant being "have no choice") but to throw your soul (how can a soul feel physical pain???) into the fiery pit muhahahahahah

And I thought the Romans had good mythology

[NCLaw441]

I confess that I am not very knowledgeable in things scientific, and that I am a Christian, by faith. That being said, a couple of questions. What caused the "big bang" if that is your theory of the beginning of the universe? Second, how did life begin? I have done a little reading of late suggesting that the spontaneous generation theory has pretty much been laid to rest... While I am a believer by faith, I don't wish to ignore science, and I thought you might have some postulates. Thanks.

[BMCDA]

LOL!! "Walking-eggs" PLACEMARKER

[50sDad]

I believe that it comes down to what you define as Evolution. Most here seem to classify EVERYTHING as (Godless) Evolution. There is sadly no tuck taken with the far more resonable view that God has intentionally created man in his (thinking) image over a long span of time. Still, the same sad polorization is out there in the schools. I just don't think it is fair to assume that if you view Creation as a parable for man's corrupt and wandering nature, you are classified as "Godless heathen".

At the risk of starting another flame war, what about the example cited in "Inherit the Wind:? The Bible says the Sun stopped in it's path across the sky. Do we suppose that it actually stopped? This would have been easier if the sun were a "bright light set in the glass domes of heaven" as some of the time might believe. However, recently we discovered that the Earth in fact rotates around the Sun. To stop it in its path, you would have to arrest the spin of the earth, resulting in continental plates and everything on them suddenly decelerating from high speed to nil. You would think a catastrophy like that would have been noticed.

[js1138]

Ha, ha, ha... he is going to have to reimburse all of us who bought tickets for his "Jurasic Park" series. Ha, ha, ha!!!!!!

Steve has a lot to answer for, not the least of which is transforming a lumbering reptilian buzzard into an Abrams tank with teeth.

[50sDad]

If the American Taliban had their way, I could expect to be dragged from my house in the middle of the night and stoned to death for even questioning the "science" of creationism.

AMEN!

Again I say, disagreement with Creation as Literal Fact is in no way Salvation threatening. (And we are told there is only one Unforgivable Sin, thank Goodness.) God will settle this in the Debriefing, and then it won't matter.

Good heavens, I thought I was a fundamentalist until I wandered into this thread!

[clamper1797]

There is sadly no tuck taken with the far more resonable view that God has intentionally created man in his (thinking) image over a long span of time

Which is along the lines of my personal beliefs ... I have a REAL problem with doctrines that have to resort to threats of some fiery hell for non-believers ... I give them the same credibility and respect that I afford the Taliban ... an omnipotent being would NOT need to use fear and intimidation to gain followers

[NCLaw441]

What if we just take the historical record regarding the birth and life and, yes, resurrection, of Jesus Christ? There is consensus among historians of Christ's life, death and resurrection, all other theories having been disproven. I direct you to a book I am currently reading, which seems to do a pretty good job with explanations I am not competent to make. It is The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel. He interviews a number of people and concisely states their arguments based upon several objections to the existence of God, such as "Since Evil and Suffering Exist, a Loving God Cannot," and "Evolution Explains Life, so God Isn't Needed." Perhaps I am just easily persuaded, but let me know your thoughts.

[js1138]

I'll let God be the judge, but I'll venture ...to be the judge.

[50sDad]

I confess that I am not very knowledgeable in things scientific, and that I am a Christian, by faith. That being said, a couple of questions. What caused the "big bang" if that is your theory of the beginning of the universe? Second, how did life begin?

Again, polorization. Science studies Cause and Effect...you are right. There had to have been a Cause for Big Bang...God! And Life does not create itself...why can't God have been behind the long-term rise of Man? And how in a world where Chaos naturally results when Order decays can Life of a more complex nature grow out of the simpler forms? God! I wish the Creationists in here could imagine God more as Engineer of our life, and less as Magician of our life. (Whew, gonna pay for that one!)

[Bluntpoint]

http://www.wavsource.com/tv/grinch/strength.wav