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To: SengirV
Now lets look up some info on a couple of these bad boys - Brachiosaurus - 25 meters long, 70 tons; Diplodocus - 45 meters long, 30 tons; Titanosaurus - 20 meters long, 7 tons; Barosaurus - 25 meters long, 40 tons

And lets now list the assumptions you've weighed into.

1. None of these beasts was water going.
2. None of these were extinct by that time.
3. All of these were not extinct by that time.
4. Unknown factors.

The flood story is not a point by point recollection of everything Noah did. It's a general story that shows the high points and tells what needs to be relayed as opposed to showing every detail down to how many times noah cut himself and how much manuer got shoveled over the side.

It is a story told in 260 cultures if memory serves. It has more evidence for it and from more sources than are involved in a typical murder investigation and the details largely corraborate the guts of the story just about no matter what version is told. The variations are largely in the names. The central point of a global catastrophe exists in all the versions. And it is born out in the geological evidences. The only people discounting the story are people who don't want to admit it could be true. It isn't that there is no evidence, the evidence is there. It's that people of an ideological bent have decided they not only don't believe it, they won't even consider it.

A boat the length of a football stadium and several stories tall would house the animals of the time. No problem. It was a survival mission - not a trip to a luxury resort. The same people who try to argue against this do so in the face of modern aircraft carriers with less capacity that house 3500+ people, A volume of fuel that a wooden boat wouldn't need, Food for the crew for a 6 month tour. Aircraft, emergency vehicles, a power plant several stories tall...

563 posted on 08/13/2003 11:01:35 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Havoc
And lets now list the assumptions you've weighed into.

1. None of these beasts was water going.
2. None of these were extinct by that time.
3. All of these were not extinct by that time.
4. Unknown factors.

1. I do not believe that the water displacement of the sauropods(some of which were > 70 tons) would allow them to be bouyant.

2. If they weren't extinct, you would think that some of these 260 cultures would mention dinosuars. Wouldn't you?

3. Great, lets assume they were all extinct. So based on post #123, all dinosaurs had to have lived within a couple of hundred years.

4. Unknown factors like the dinosaurs really died off millions of years before Noah was born. I'd say that is a likely factor.

I'm only agruing this from the persective that Earth is far older than 6K years old. I do not believe Noah carried any dino's.

594 posted on 08/13/2003 11:49:53 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: Havoc
It[The Flood Myth] is a story told in 260 cultures if memory serves.

Perhaps because almost every single early culture was situated in river basins and flood zones due to the richness of the soil? And perhaps being situated in said areas, floods were the major ecological event that happened more than a few times during a typical early civilization lifespan? And perhaps because the myopic worldview of the denizens of said early civilizations was so small, that the (say) 10 year flood event was their equivalent of (say) a "world wide flood." Not too difficult to parse, in my opinion.

[The Flood Myth} has more evidence for it and from more sources than are involved in a typical murder investigation and the details largely corraborate the guts of the story just about no matter what version is told.

And when you get around to giving us some of that evidence, I'll start listening. (By the way, the original post, even if credible, does not point to a "great flood" in the least).

And [The Flood Myth] is born out in the geological evidences.

See my previous sentence.

The only people discounting the story are people who don't want to admit it could be true.

And every single non christian bible literalist American, for the most part. Sheesh.

It isn't that there is no evidence, the evidence is there

...He said again without providing any. Should I expect anything different?

A boat the length of a football stadium and several stories tall would house the animals of the time.

So even though you believe the ark myth, you accept evolution? "[all] the animals of the time." Since all the animals of our time wouldn't fit on any boat, no matter how giant, you're admitting there's been some speciation? That's a start at least. So perhaps we can move on to the obvious gene pool problem with only 2 of every animal alive. Or was that another "god loophole?"

I've so much to learn!
597 posted on 08/13/2003 11:55:25 AM PDT by whattajoke
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