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Hear Me Now and Believe Me Later (Limbaugh on Schwarzenneger)
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | August 7, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 08/08/2003 8:36:39 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan

Here me now and believe me later, my friends: all these conservative orgasms over Arnold Schwarzenegger are - like the "Gorbasms" liberals experienced over Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev - fake. I know that (R) next to Schwarzenegger's name excites the White House, but his own words prove he's not a conservative. I call this "The Hollywood Syndrome," and it happens every time some actor-type says anything even remotely conservative. I'm not trying to cold shower anybody here, but don't look to anyone in Hollywood to validate your political ideas.

The American Prowler's George Neumayr detailed Arnold's politics in his article "Here's Arnold!" Quote: "[H]e spoke in generalities and banalities about his plans for the state. To the extent that he said anything, he sounded not like a fiscal conservative but a moderate Democrat. He said that he wanted businesses to come back to California so that the state government could collect enough tax revenues to provide social programs. This is the sort of obtuse comment middle-of-the-road Democrats always make, forgetting that businesses are leaving the state because they are tired of paying high taxes for those big government social programs."

More: "He has told the press he is 'very liberal' about social programs, supports abortion and homosexual adoption, and advocates 'sensible gun controls.' His entree into politics last year was a proposition Democrats endorsed because it raised state spending for what amounted to state babysitting - before-school and after-school programs that cost the state up to $455 million a year. He has complained openly about the party's conservatism.... Talk magazine described him as 'impatient' with the religious right.... [H]e expressed disgust with the Republicans who impeached Clinton. 'That was another thing I will never forgive the Republican Party for,' he said. 'We spent one year wasting time because there was a human failure. I was ashamed to call myself a Republican during that period.'"

Does this sound like "the Next Reagan," as some people are calling Arnold? Hardly. This guy may be the next actor elected governor of California, but that's where the similarity between him and Ronaldus Magnus end.


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To: Poohbah
Arnold, by definition, CANNOT both be a fiscal conservative and SOCIAL liberal: I just love the way that moderate politicians tend to label themselves that way!

FISCAL CONSERVATIVE: don't spend excess monies from government on social programs best handled from the private sector: we trust market forces to do this; gov'ts have no business in social engineering.
SOCIAL LIBERAL: spend all kinds of gov't monies on social programs, for we don't trust the private sector to do anything.

I'm sorry, but Arnold's OWN WORDS belie him: he believes he wants to do both of the above, which is impossible! Rush is merely pointing out that he's NOT the next incarnation of Reagan.... or even GW Bush, for that matter! Rush's point is simply this: Arnold is telling you Californians what he would do: and it's not conservative. Elect him if you like (it's obviously your choice), but do so with your eyes and ears open.

What I really don't get about his "platform" is this:
(a) He sez we can't afford social programs: they have driven away business.
(b) He then says that once business comes back, he can resume the social programs.
Excuse me, sir, but that won't bring 'em back: the over-regulation and over-taxation drove them away -- the only thing that will get business prosperous is to reduce the burden permanently.

41 posted on 08/08/2003 9:07:11 AM PDT by alancarp (SItting Senators ought not cash in while under the public trust)
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To: ElkGroveDan
:) Dan, I hope you wore your Kevlar Jammies, I hear the thunder of the approaching Arne-Bots...
42 posted on 08/08/2003 9:07:55 AM PDT by Lord_Baltar (God Speed to the Men and Women of the Armed Forces!)
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To: Princeliberty
I'd take your statement a little more seriously if you used standard American English. Since you are unable to write a simple sentence correctly, I question your ability to parse a lengthy speech.
43 posted on 08/08/2003 9:08:48 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Does this sound like "the Next Reagan,"

Hardly.

But he sounds like he could be the next Evita.

44 posted on 08/08/2003 9:09:24 AM PDT by eniapmot
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To: Markd0713
>>>Arnold is not Reagan ....

I don't disagree with what you've said. All Rush is doing is making political observations that are crystal clear to most people willing to open their eyes and face the truth.

California is a very liberal state and has shifted towards total Democrat domination over the last decade. Arnald appeals to some conservatives and some liberals, but his strength lies with the independents in the mushy middle.

Who knows, may be Arnald will win the recall election and have a political reincarnation while in office. Otherwise he will govern as a moderate to liberal Republican, at best.

45 posted on 08/08/2003 9:11:35 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: alancarp
But, hey, we have a government in Washington right now that is trying real hard.
46 posted on 08/08/2003 9:11:53 AM PDT by eniapmot
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To: Poohbah
Rush is right. Arnold is a lib and doesn't even disguise the fact. The 'Rats can quit worrying about who they're going to run...they have Arnold.
47 posted on 08/08/2003 9:13:32 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: ElkGroveDan
I guess you are a big expert on California politics then...

Yep
Simon lost
People want to punish Davis, but not reward Simon. He will remind them of Davis. Arnold is new and exciting. If he is not toppled by the Democrat friendly media, he should win as ordinary people would give the actor a chance. The Democrats know the endgame and will rally around someone to keep California in the D column for 2004. There best chance is a split Republican ticket with Simon attacking Schwarznegger and reminding everyone why the Democrats are in control (and should remain in control). That should not happen. Simon should only remain in the race as insurance. He should absolutely not run any ads against any other Republican. No Republican should run negative ads. They should stay on message, positive, "feel the love."

48 posted on 08/08/2003 9:14:29 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Poohbah
Conservatives pure enough for that loudmouth blowhard don't do well in California.

you just contradicted yourself.. i think.. it almost sounds like your not a big fan of rush.. </s>

Schwarzenegger, for all his faults (and he has many), is conservative where it counts--economic and fiscal policy, which is the first and foremost problem facing California right now.

Arnie may be a financial conservative, but that is not what rush is saying.. not sure what you are trying to say, but one catagory (being fiscally conservative) does not make him a well rounded conservative.. as for his fiscal policies, i guess we will see when he gets elected.. (i think i will make it)
50 posted on 08/08/2003 9:16:25 AM PDT by wafflehouse (the hell you say!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Thank you Rush. I'm turning blue in the face trying to get this message across to all
these star-struck celebrity slobbering Arnold fans.


Just my opinion, but Rush has been out of California too long.
The electorate in California has turned so liberal that they can't take the shock-treatment
of a Simon or McClintock.

Arnold has flaws, but he's just about the best incremental step back to
political and financial sanity that the general California electorate
might find acceptable.

I'd much prefer Simon or McClintock, but I suspect they won't be elected AND
even if elected they might not have the knack for using publicity to shame the lefties
who are really controlling California into at least getting the finances of the
state back on an even keel.

I'm not being argumentative...just saying how I see it as an Okie who's been
in California during the Davis era.
51 posted on 08/08/2003 9:16:28 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Bill Simon is Geek and a Loser........
He will never ever win...............

52 posted on 08/08/2003 9:16:54 AM PDT by KQQL (^@__*^)
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To: Poohbah
You wrote:

"Conservatives pure enough for that loudmouth blowhard don't do well in California. Schwarzenegger, for all his faults (and he has many), is conservative where it counts--economic and fiscal policy, which is the first and foremost problem facing California right now."

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First off.....IF...Arnold is a "conservative".....I've seen very little, if any...evidence of it.

Secondly, I've learned more from and respect the "loudmouth blowhard" way more than most / many of the folks on FR.

Thirdly...I dunno how in the heck you can come to any conclusion ( let alone it being a "conservative" slant..) on Arnold's "economic and fiscal policy"....at this point in time.

FWIW--

53 posted on 08/08/2003 9:17:14 AM PDT by Osage Orange (California voters are soon to be either confused as goats on AstroTurf..or mad as hogs in heat.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
RUSH IS RIGHT.
54 posted on 08/08/2003 9:17:45 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Poohbah
"Ya know, serial carpetbaggers like Rush should STFU about California's politics."

That's why he's a political and social commentator....You've never struck me as someone who opposed free speech...

Arnie IS a social liberal....pro-gun control, supports abortion "rights" and has a vast array of liberal social programs that he would like supported. This is his past record....He was strongly opposed to the impeachment of Clintoon...

Ann Coulter stated as much on Hanity & Colmes....should she "STFU" too? How about Hanity, same opinion...Drudge (eeuch) same opinion.....

Arnie's on screen persona belies his real positions...If you don't believe this, wait....Arnie will define himself between now and the election for those who doubt.

NeverGore

55 posted on 08/08/2003 9:18:44 AM PDT by nevergore (Please return your seat trays and seat backs to their full and upright position....)
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To: ElkGroveDan
You forgot the "Safe for Work" version of the picture now on Drudge's page....


56 posted on 08/08/2003 9:18:53 AM PDT by visagoth (If you think education is expensive - try ignorance)
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To: Reagan Man
There's something wrong here, you've been making a lot of sense to me lately.

What's up with that?

57 posted on 08/08/2003 9:18:53 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: ElkGroveDan
I do not like Arnold as Govener.

But.... ho wdo you expect to win with the GOP vote split 3 or 4 ways.

The Dems will be split 1 or 2 ways and they WILL win.

The only question left is how it will effect the GOP in other states.
58 posted on 08/08/2003 9:21:05 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
but his own words prove he's not a conservative

Absolutely. I read up on his political ideals a couple of years ago and he is very much a socialist.
59 posted on 08/08/2003 9:21:22 AM PDT by My back yard
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To: ElkGroveDan
There's also a new tread about Perot running again.
60 posted on 08/08/2003 9:21:52 AM PDT by Consort
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