Mother Accused of Slitting Baby's Throat (feminist professor - expostfacto abortion)

Fox News ^

[RockChucker]

She's a feminist. I am sure her beliefs about babies made the dirty deed a little easier.

[John H K]

And it is sickening to see people jump on the political bandwagon. That woman in Texas who murdered her children was no feminist. Quite the opposite. Infanticide happens regardless of one's politics and has little to do with one's politics. The cruelty here is sometimes amazing, the quick readiness to make assumptions when we know nothing.

Actually, I think the last TWO well publicized cases of mentally ill women killing their children were housewives who were deeply religious and attended fundie Protestant churches, and I doubt the same people here gleefully reporting the politics/classes taught of this women were doing the same in those cases.

[MississippiMan]

Ener also confessed to the killing, but prosecutors had not charged her with a crime as of Monday."

And why the heck not?

MM

[cajungirl]

Thank you for pointing that out. These threads usually make me angry and sad. I like FR, people here are incredibly kind and bright and funny. Then there is a streak of real cruelty that sometimes just sickens me. A baby is dead. A bright lady whom we know nothing has just finished her life. An entire family is going to be devastated by this. There are no happy winners in this case. Politics has nothing to do with this but somehow, FR like the dems in this case, is making everything politics all the time. And jumping to judgement before knowing anything.I just wish it could be given a rest until the facts are in.

[Dionysius]

St. Paul, MN, 8/5/03- AP: Prosecutors today declined to press charges against distinguished professor Mine Al Ener for the death of her infant daughter, Raya Donagi. "The child was in the second trimester of post-partum existance and therefore liable for extinguishment in light of the Supreme Court's recent decision in Roe v. Ashcroft," said Ima Stooge, spokesperson for the Ramsey County State's Attorney's Office. "Ms. Al Ener reached her decision in concert with her chiropractor, Dr. Dudley Kwack, and as such this is a privacy issue and is out of bounds for my office." Stooge went on, however, to explain that Professor Al Ener could face misdemeanor charges as the extinguishment was not carried on in a state approved facility such as the newly opened Wellstone Women's Health and Organ Harvesting Clinic. It is not expected that this incident will hinder the work of Al Ener whom is considered a leading exponent of enlightenment in women's issues.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Question:

You excerpted the article as to not include that the woman had post partum depression and was on medication. She was married and had the child, therefore she did not have an abortion.

So what if she is a professor. The woman had a terrible condition, a condition that several conservative women have as well.

It is horrible that this baby is dead. What makes you think that it is a time to mock her?

[A_perfect_lady]

Well, this woman was doomed by her own politics. You can't care about women's lives and immerse yourself in Islamic culture without being plunged into depression. You can't publish anything on either topic without being a lefty (or faking it well). You can't be a lefty these days without hating the US, so here you have someone who must embrace a vicious culture that victimizes women, hate a culture that empowers them, and make herself believe that she's holding a defensible position. This is a recipe for depression and madness.

Frankly, she should go for the insanity defense and offer her own publications as proof. Liberalism is a mental illness.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

These threads usually make me angry and sad. I like FR, people here are incredibly kind and bright and funny. Then there is a streak of real cruelty that sometimes just sickens me

I agree wholeheartedly.

This thread is reason 4927 why I never tell anyone about Free Republic.

[Dionysius]

I correct myself: For "child" insert "organism".

[RockChucker]

Your right - she is mentally ill and its not funny or a point for sarcasm. Still, I can see two different reactions to the incident. One from pro-life conservative, another from fellow feminists.

She choose death. It is very sad.

[John H K]

Thank you for pointing that out. These threads usually make me angry and sad. I like FR, people here are incredibly kind and bright and funny. Then there is a streak of real cruelty that sometimes just sickens me.

Call it the Coulterization of FR.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Call it the Coulterization of FR.

You hit the nail on the head.

[John H K]

Well, this woman was doomed by her own politics. You can't care about women's lives and immerse yourself in Islamic culture without being plunged into depression. You can't publish anything on either topic without being a lefty (or faking it well). You can't be a lefty these days without hating the US, so here you have someone who must embrace a vicious culture that victimizes women, hate a culture that empowers them, and make herself believe that she's holding a defensible position. This is a recipe for depression and madness.

Well, like I said, the last two recent well-publicized women in Texas who killed their kids, and then going back a ways to Susan Smith in South Carolina...

None of them were feminist Islamic scholars; in fact, all were as far away from that as you can get, really. So where does that leave your theory?

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

You are correct. Paula Yates was a deeply religious Christian fundementalist who homeschooled and she managed to kill all 5 of her kids.

Was she a murdering feminist as well?

[fortunecookie]

I am sickened by this.

She also said the child had suffered from some physical ailments — at one point, the child was nourished with a feeding tube — and she just wanted to give the baby some relief.

Yes, perfect logic, the poor child is suffering so slit her tiny throat and let her slowly bleed out.

No pain or suffering there. (Giant sarcasm and barf alerts.)

This sicko has just become an icon of Women's Studies departments all across America. She will be worshipped.

Yes. Not to mention other pro-abort groups.

...Ener also confessed to the killing, but prosecutors had not charged her with a crime as of Monday...

This can't be good. How can it not be a crime???? The worship has begun...

[CFW]

"She's had a very good and strong record here," said John Johannes, vice president of academic affairs at Villanova. "She's being published...

Which, of course, is the most important thing. Gotta be published.

[diamond6]

Our court system really has to inflict more severe sentences on people who kill/harm babies and children. This just makes me sick.

[ICX]

*So what if she is a professor. The woman had a terrible condition, a condition that several conservative women have as well.

It is horrible that this baby is dead. What makes you think that it is a time to mock her?*

I don't agree with mocking her, but I also don't agree with your interpretation of the situation. Thousands of women suffer from this 'terrible condition' each year and manage to get through it without murdering their children. I refuse to accept postpartum depression as rationale for infanticide.

[jlogajan]

I refuse to accept postpartum depression as rationale for infanticide.

What do you mean "rationale"? As an explanation? Or a justification?

As I pointed out in another thread on this topic, we know there are drugs that are hallucinogenic. We know the human brain is capable of hallucination. We know that psychosis can involve hallucination.

Postpartum depression or psychosis is well documented and can lead to extreme behaviors such as suicide and infanticide. I'm not sure what the political point is of denying this rather well documented phenomena.

[fortunecookie]

Your right - she is mentally ill and its not funny or a point for sarcasm. Still, I can see two different reactions to the incident. One from pro-life conservative, another from fellow feminists. She choose death. It is very sad.

Post-partum depression is tragic for everyone involved. She may not even be really cognizant of what has happened. Meds aren't effective for everyone and some don't cooperate with their doctors orders, as a friend of mine whose baby survived his mother's depression. Or can't because of the cloud of the depression. They often don't realize what they are doing - scary, when one sees it in real life, as many of you have mentioned. Susan Smith was more psychotic than affected by post-partum.

That being said, it really is a double tragedy. The post-partum depression that, in this case, lead to death of the baby is a tragedy the family will have to live with always. And the small group who will, regardless of our discussion here, view this as a 'win' for their cause, and will use the mother's background as a feminist and professor to their advantage, whether or not that is what the mother wants or believes.

The Princeton (?) professor who feels people should have the right to kill newborns - whether parent or doctor, whether the child is healthy or not - for about a month after birth will sadly use this as fuel for their debates. Pity his efforts weren't spent in trying to help women with post-partum depression.

[mtbrandon49]

I wish you had her in Texas also. Extra Crispy Please.