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1 posted on 07/15/2003 11:22:15 AM PDT by mvpel
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2 other pieces of advice:
Don't tell your insurance company, lag time between you getting the ticket and them finding out about the ticket can be as much as 6 months, but the surcharge clock starts ticking the minute you get the ticket which leads to #2
Remind the insurance company when the surcharge should end, they tend to have the same lag time (or more) taking charges off as adding them, unless you bug them about it, find out what their surcharge period is for a ticket (2 or 3 years depending on your company) and the day after the appropriate anniversary call them
2 posted on 07/15/2003 11:28:48 AM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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In parts of Florida you have bulk firms which represent people for as little as $35.00.

It pays to fight tickets in certain states. It pays to ask.

Ps buy a license plate sheild.
3 posted on 07/15/2003 11:29:31 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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4 posted on 07/15/2003 11:29:56 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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When I was young and foolish, I fought two speeding tickets in court...Won one when the cop didn't show and lost one 'cause, well, I was guilty.
5 posted on 07/15/2003 11:34:01 AM PDT by Drango (Just 5¢ a day will end pledge drives on FreeRepublic.)
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I served on the Grand Jury for the first time in my county about 10 years ago. Since then, the few tickets that I have gotten (I use to drive about 70,000 miles a year) I ALWAYS fight. They almost never get through the grand jury unless someone was injured or it was a DUI. Most of the time the DA would call and try to "settle" with me, I respectfully say no then they let me "sweat" for a few months and then drop the charges. the down side? We have an illegal court system that you have to go to first. You are always found guilty then you can contest it, request a jury trial, pay your "bond" (= to your fine), and then the legal court process starts. You miss a day's work to go to this sham traffic court and then they keep your "bond" for up to two years when the statue of limitations runs out.
6 posted on 07/15/2003 11:37:38 AM PDT by CCCV
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Any advice for my husband who recently received a speeding ticket from a rent-a-cop in the Town of Ripon in Fond du lac County?

He was on his way out of town and apparently started his acceleration to the highway speed before he completely cleared town. Was clocked at 49 in a 35.

Pertinent facts:
1) Driving a rental car.
2) Rental car with Illinois plates.
3)Unfamiliar with the area, he was on his way home from calling on a customer in Green Lake.

His court date is this Thursday. I want him to try to get it changed to a non moving violation of some kind or at least get the miles over speed limit reduced, he just wants to pay it and be done with it. He's very embarrassed. Been driving 25+ years with no traffic violations.

To top it all off, our insurance premiums are already sky-high because we have 2 teeneged drivers!!

7 posted on 07/15/2003 11:43:32 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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Strange are the ways of insurance companies. I got a ticket for 75 in 55 MPH zone, owned up to my insurance company. I also said on the questionaire that I drove 5500 miles per year.

They paid no attention to the ticket, and reduced my insurance rate because of low mileage.

But I don't fancy another...
14 posted on 07/15/2003 11:59:09 AM PDT by proxy_user
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Ref. Bump
24 posted on 07/15/2003 12:09:34 PM PDT by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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“You’re a pack animal; don’t stick out of the pack,” says Casey Raskob, a Croton-on-Hudson, N.Y., attorney who focuses on traffic-related cases.

Hmmm .. so the police are the lions culling out members of the 'herd' ?

Disgusting.

27 posted on 07/15/2003 12:10:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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I used to prosecute traffic tickets for the Los Angeles City Attorney. While it's true that cop no-shows got a large percentage dismissed on the spot, the conviction rate was very high, usually without any reduction in the violation. I'd say it was over 90%.

However, the judge would invariably find one person not guilty for no apparent reason at all. I had proved all the elements of the violation, so I guess he just did it for fun.

36 posted on 07/15/2003 12:17:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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I've been pulled over about a half dozen times over the last 17 years. The last time I had a ticket that stuck was in 1986. I do a lot of driving for work (as much as 500 miles a week) and I do get burned in the occasional speed trap. But almost everytime I get pulled over, I get just a warning. I do sport an American flag on my back window and a Marine Corps bumber sticker. Maybe that has something to do with the cops giving me a break. Or maybe it's that I'm unfailingly polite to the officer and readily admit that I might have been going a "bit too fast." Cops evidently aren't used to that kind of honesty so they might be more inclined to give you a break.

The one time I did get a ticket, I fought it and showed up in court with a shirt and tie and yes-sired and no-sired everybody. During my testimony, I made sure to point out that the police officer who stopped me was very professional and polite but mentioned that perhaps in an honest mistake, he overestimated my speed.

Others showed up in sneakers and jeans and had sort of a slovenly and sloppy appearance. I got my ticket dismissed. Don't know about the others but I don't think they fared as well as they had sour expressions as they shuffled out of the hearing room.

A cheerful positive attitude is key in this whole process. Cop an attitude and you'll be stuck with an expensive ticket - no doubt about it.

46 posted on 07/15/2003 12:30:09 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 245 (-55))
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Be polite. “Most of the time, the motorist has very little chance. The officer has already has made up his mind,” says Wolfberg, the former cop. “The only real chance the driver has is to be nice.” Act peeved and a trooper may give you the full fine. Some will also flag the citation with a notation, like “ND” -- a note to a prosecutor or to himself (in some states, law-enforcement officers act as prosecutors in traffic court) to give a loudmouth “no deal” in court.

BS in my experience. If you are a nice looking lady a LEO, you will get a break.

48 posted on 07/15/2003 12:31:55 PM PDT by TankerKC (I guess I missed your point.)
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Cop no-shows. If you show up on your assigned date, defense attorneys say that in 20% to 25% of cases the ticket-writing officer won't. If the officer is required to show up (jurisdictions have different rules), no appearance usually means the ticket is thrown out. No-shows by police happen even more in summer, when even they take vacations.
If I'm not mistaken, the ticketing writing officer always has to be present, or the ticket can't be prosecuted. I know it's that way in Cleveland.

Another thing to keep in mind is questionable tickets. I got one for "shortcutting an intersection" when I turned around in a parking lot to get on a freeway instead of going 20 blocks in the wrong direction to get on at the "official" exit (only one side of our street has a ramp and the median blocks a left turn). A common practice at our company.

-I looked up the text of the city ordinance....it referred to an intersection.

-I looked up the definition of an "intersection" in the Ohio Revised Code. It didn't cover turning around and going back onto the same street.

I was ready to not only challenge the ticket but when I won, ask the judge to forbid further tickets from being written at that location for that offense.

The officer didn't show.

I figure they write these questionable tickets and don't show up. That way they can continue to collect quota points from the people who waiver the tickets, and don't get told to cut it out.

-Eric

51 posted on 07/15/2003 12:40:09 PM PDT by E Rocc (Reality is to liberals what garlic is to vampires.)
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If I get a ticket for speeding, I wouldn't fight it unless I WASN'T speeding.
56 posted on 07/15/2003 12:51:43 PM PDT by MEGoody
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Just a funny story
A friend of mine was pulled over for having a tail light out in Chicago in 1974. She was dressed like a hippie and the cop indicated her sex on the ticket as "male".
When she got to court she pointed out the error and the judge said: "The court apoligizes for the error, did you repair your tail light?" (She obviously didn't have a lawyer)
She said; "No, It wasn't broken"
The officer then explained to the judge that he observed that it was indeed broken.
My friend said: "If he couldn't tell I was a woman after talking to me and looking at my license, (she dressed VERY well for court) It's understandable that he also couldn't tell that my tail light was working properly."
The judge said: "I'm going to have to agree with the defendent." the ticket was dismissed.
I was there with her to experience her justice.
58 posted on 07/15/2003 12:53:28 PM PDT by The Brush
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If I remember correctly, in California, when getting the ticket you can demand to have the "trial" at the county seat rather than the location where the ticket is issued. This can force the cop to travel a greater distance and they are not likly to do it.
59 posted on 07/15/2003 12:57:44 PM PDT by Drango (Just 5¢ a day will end pledge drives on FreeRepublic.)
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Best advice is don't get pulled over.

Get a GOOD radar detector, such as an Escort or Passport.

I haven't been pulled over for speeding in years...ever since I got my Passport.

67 posted on 07/15/2003 1:08:44 PM PDT by demsux
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About three years ago, I fought a ticket for going 28 mph in a 20 mph school zone(SZ). What really chapped me was the fact that I had never even entered the SZ - not even when the officer pulled out to stop me! The officer was a complete jerk and refused to even acknowledge my question about where exactly did he measure my speed.

When I finally got my date in court, there were about five people ahead of me - all of whose cases consisted of their word against the (same) officer's. An assistant DA was there to prosecute the tickets and in every case established the officer's experience, familiarity with the area, notetaking, etc. All lost.

On my turn, I proceded to establish his location, which was on a cross street just south of the clearly-marked beginning of the SZ. I was travelling north-bound in a 35 mph zone when he clocked me. He actually pulled out from the cross street, travelled across the southbound lanes, and stopped his motorcycle in front of me. We were both at a complete stop and the beginning of the SZ was still ahead of us. Therefore, it was impossible for him to have recorded my speed inside the zone. I also presented photographs showing the relative loactions of the cross streets, school zone, and traffic signs. I felt good.

Then the assistant DA got up and tried to get me to concede that my recollection could be faulty, that the officer may be more familiar with the area in question, and that it was possible that he could have been on a different cross street inside the school zone. I politely held firm and maintained my version of events.

Then he put the officer on the stand. After establishing his bona fides, he asked for the officer's version of events. Sure enough, the officer stated under oath that he was on a different cross street that was well inside the SZ. And that, of course, he clocked me inside the SZ. My heart sank into my stomach. If he had shut up then it would have been solely my word against his. and I had already witnessed whom the court believes in those situations.

But he didn't shut up. He went on to embellish, "I could not have been on the street that the defendant alleges, because there is a solid median there. I would have had to jump the median with my motorcycle to get to the northbound lane." Or words to that effect. Suddenly, I felt like Perry Mason.

When I got to cross-examine the officer, I reminded him of the pictures I had submitted to the court. I actually walked up to him and asked him to identify which intersection had a solid median and which did not. He had to concede that his recollection was not correct and that perhaps he was mistaken about his initial location. I promptly sat down and shut up.

The judge then made a statement about how I probably did commit the infraction, but there was enough doubt in the officer's testimony that he had to dismiss the ticket. I was a little irked that the judge still thought I did it, but had enough sense to keep that to myself. The officer actually had a mini-outburst (he said Damn! or Man! or something like that loud enough for me to hear across the courtroom - and also pounded the table once with his fist). Needless to say, he was not pleased. That was delicious.

All in all, the end result was extremely satisfying - even though it was only a lousy 8 MPH over ticket. It was also a little scary, seeing that I would have easily lost if the officer had just kept his lies straight.

94 posted on 07/15/2003 2:17:07 PM PDT by Cooter
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BTTTTTTT
95 posted on 07/15/2003 2:21:01 PM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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We live in a manufactured housing community, privately owned. Three weeks ago my wife decided to let my unlicensed, non-permit teeneage daughter drive the trash down to the dumpster. It was the first time she'd ever driven by herself.

She entered an intersection - still in the neighborhood - where she had the right of way. A lady ran a stop sign and did $1500.00 worth of damage to our vehicle. My daughter was cited for driving without an operators license.

We are using the experience to learn about the law. Last week she plead "not guilty" before a judge. On Tuesday, 7/22 she goes to an omnibus hearing. We studied the state code under which she was cited, and it does not govern the road upon which she was driving. Furthermore, the individual at fault for the accident was not cited precisely for this reason.

Nevertheless, I was fit to be tied when I heard about the wreck and how she was allowed to drive with neither license nor permit. The spouse and I had a talk about that one.

Well, we'll see what happens.

96 posted on 07/15/2003 2:31:11 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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