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Justice Breyer: U. S. Constitution should be subordinated to international will
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 7, 2003

Posted on 07/07/2003 7:00:07 AM PDT by mrobison

LAW OF THE LAND

Justice: Can Constitution make it in global age?

On TV, Breyer wonders whether it will 'fit into governing documents of other nations'

Posted: July 7, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

In a rare appearance on a television news show, Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer questioned whether the U.S. Constitution, the oldest governing document in use in the world today, will continue to be relevant in an age of globalism.

Speaking with ABC News' "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos and his colleague Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, Breyer took issue with Justice Antonin Scalia, who, in a dissent in last month's Texas sodomy ruling, contended the views of foreign jurists are irrelevant under the U.S. Constitution.

Breyer had held that a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights that homosexuals had a fundamental right to privacy in their sexual behavior showed that the Supreme Court's earlier decision to the contrary was unfounded in the Western tradition.

"We see all the time, Justice O'Connor and I, and the others, how the world really – it's trite but it's true – is growing together," Breyer said. "Through commerce, through globalization, through the spread of democratic institutions, through immigration to America, it's becoming more and more one world of many different kinds of people. And how they're going to live together across the world will be the challenge, and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."

In the Lawrence v Texas case decided June 26, Justice Anthony Kennedy gave as a reason for overturning a Supreme Court ruling of 17 years earlier upholding sodomy laws that it was devoid of any reliance on the views of a "wider civilization."

Scalia answered in his dissent: "The court's discussion of these foreign views (ignoring, of course, the many countries that have retained criminal prohibitions on sodomy) is ... meaningless dicta. Dangerous dicta, however, since this court ... should not impose foreign moods, fads, or fashions on Americans," he said quoting the 2002 Foster v. Florida case.

Scalia's scathing critique of the 6-3 sodomy ruling was unusual in its bluntness.

"Today's opinion is the product of a court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct," he wrote. Later he concluded: "This court has taken sides in the culture war."

Both O'Connor and Breyer sought to downplay antipathy between the justices – no matter how contentious matters before the court become. O'Connor said justices don't take harsh criticisms personally.

"When you work in a small group of that size, you have to get along, and so you're not going to let some harsh language, some dissenting opinion, affect a personal relationship," she said. "You can't do that."

Breyer agreed.

"So if I'm really put out by something, I can go to the person who wrote it and say, 'Look, I think you've gone too far here.'"

O'Connor, too, seemed to suggest in the ABC interview that the Constitution was far from the final word in governing America. Asked if there might come a day when it would no longer be the last word on the law, she said: "Well, you always have the power of entering into treaties with other nations which also become part of the law of the land, but I can't see the day when we won't have a constitution in our nation."

Asked to explain what he meant when he said judges who favor a very strict literal interpretation of the Constitution can't justify their practices by claiming that's what the framers wanted, Breyer responded: "I meant that the extent to which the Constitution is flexible is a function of what provisions you're talking about. When you look at the word 'two' for two representatives from every state in the United States Senate, two means two. But when you look like a word – look at a word like 'interstate commerce,' which they didn't have automobiles in mind, or they didn't have airplanes in mind, or telephones, or the Internet, or you look at a word like 'liberty,' and they didn't have in mind at that time the problems of privacy brought about, for example, by the Internet and computers. You realize that the framers intended those words to maintain constant values, but values that would change in their application as society changed."

In an unrelated matter, O'Connor indicated on "This Week" that she would likely serve out the next term on the court, dismssing speculation that she was about to retire.

The current court is split between Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Clarence Thomas and Scalia, who tend to hold the traditional constitutionalist approach to rulings, and the majority of O'Connor, Breyer, Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginzburg, David H. Souter and John Paul Stevens, who tend to believe in the concept of a "living Constitution" subject to changes in public opinion and interpretation.


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To: BureaucratusMaximus
The rationalizations for every excuse given by folks who defend this President's intergenerational swindle of a vote-buying scheme fall short. Privatizing after encouraging more dependency is illogical. The forces against privatization will only grow stronger if an unearned prescription drug subsidy is implemented, because the subsidy itself buys votes against privatization.

BUMP! Encouraging dependency sounds alot like socialism to me.

241 posted on 07/07/2003 10:12:44 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: mrobison
TREASON
242 posted on 07/07/2003 10:12:46 AM PDT by DraftAshcroft2004
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To: Dead Corpse
Expect the next words out of her mouth to be "I'll swallow your soul!"

At which point you break out the boomstick and say "Swallow this."

243 posted on 07/07/2003 10:19:10 AM PDT by steveegg (Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, air-burst artillery and thermonuclear weapons)
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To: Consort
Any socialistic programs implemented by Bush and the Republican Congress will be dwarfted by what the Democrats do when they take back the White House and the Congress. We can vote in Republicans who will undo much of that, but there are no Democrats we can vote for who will ever undo any of it.

So, every other aspect of the Republican agenda will be held hostage to the need to hold power and prevent the Democrats from making problems arising from GOP sociialist programs even worse?

We don't dare withhold our votes for fear that the Democrats will gut any privatization language from President Bush's prescription drugs gamble?

I'm sorry, I've had too much of the zero-accountability plan for the Bush Family already.


244 posted on 07/07/2003 10:20:00 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: deport
Well--King George broke his promise.

He didn't get a second chance. He didn't deserve it.
245 posted on 07/07/2003 10:20:43 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: So Cal Rocket
"I, Stephen G. Breyer, do solemnly swear that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as Supreme Court Justice under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God."

I, Stephen G Breyer, do solemnly swear that I will administer my personal agendawithout respect to Law, and do equal right to the poor, non working, non taxpaying dimocRats, and that I will unfaithfully and with bias discharge and perform all duties incumbent upon me as Supreme Court Justice outside the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help be, satan.

How's that for an honest swearing in?

246 posted on 07/07/2003 10:21:33 AM PDT by zip
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To: swampfx
Stephen Gerald Breyer defied simple classification, as a man and as a judge.

You mean that lieberal Goron is insufficient?

247 posted on 07/07/2003 10:21:45 AM PDT by steveegg (Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, air-burst artillery and thermonuclear weapons)
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To: TheBattman
I accept your correction.
248 posted on 07/07/2003 10:24:11 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: BlackElk
Ping
249 posted on 07/07/2003 10:24:37 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
He didn't get a second chance. He didn't deserve it.


Yep on he is supposed to be infallible... only us peons can break promises, etc.... Guess Clinton did a much better job of not breaking his promises..... Love them 'true conservatives' taking their ball and going to play with the Clintons....
250 posted on 07/07/2003 10:24:41 AM PDT by deport (When ridin' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure it's still there))
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To: AAABEST
He's admitting that he operates illegally and in violation of his oath of office.

Article III Sec I
The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Stating the Constitution should be subordinated to international will is not good behaviour. He needs to either retire immediately or be removed from the bench

251 posted on 07/07/2003 10:24:49 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: deport
Then Newtie got into bed with Clinton and handed us WTO and MFN for Red China.

Another example of Republican national interest, I suppose.
252 posted on 07/07/2003 10:26:04 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: BlackElk
PJB floated the possibility of simply passing the Defense of Marriage Act and specifically exempting the law from Judicial Review.

Better than an Amendment, but not nearly so much fun as impeaching a couple of these idiots...
253 posted on 07/07/2003 10:27:40 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
He didn't get a second chance. He didn't deserve it.

Please report for your "Unswerving Devotion is the Birthright of All Bushes" reconditioning, immediately.


254 posted on 07/07/2003 10:27:59 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: ninenot
Yep Newtie got his just rewards also fromt he good 'true conservatives' I'd guess..... Love them guys/gals, don'tcha?
255 posted on 07/07/2003 10:28:06 AM PDT by deport (When ridin' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure it's still there))
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To: mrobison
"...whether our Constitution...fits into the governing documents of other nations..."

That't the meat.

That's not entirely fair, you've edited it. Here's his quote:

"Through commerce, through globalization, through the spread of democratic institutions, through immigration to America, it's becoming more and more one world of many different kinds of people. And how they're going to live together across the world will be the challenge, and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."

I'm not sure what he means, it's not even a proper sentence. But I find it hard to read into it what the headline says.

256 posted on 07/07/2003 10:29:21 AM PDT by MattAMiller (Down with the Mullahs! Peace, freedom, and prosperity for Iran.)
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To: MattAMiller
Even this Encina High School alum can plainly discern Breyer's suggestion that the Constitution is obsolete and we should look to "other nations" for enlightenment.
257 posted on 07/07/2003 10:34:21 AM PDT by mrobison
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To: ninenot
Thanks for filling in some blanks.
258 posted on 07/07/2003 10:36:11 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (The Dems are self-destructing before our eyes, How Great is That !)
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To: mrobison
bump for later read
259 posted on 07/07/2003 10:37:48 AM PDT by AK2KX
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To: MattAMiller
"...and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."

Sure looks like he's questioning whether the U.S. Constitution should be the law of the land to me.

260 posted on 07/07/2003 10:39:13 AM PDT by steveegg (Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, air-burst artillery and thermonuclear weapons)
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