Teachers' poor pay just myth

Scottsdale Republic ^ | Craig J. Cantoni

[hsmomx3]

Contrary to union propaganda, teachers are not underpaid. I say this as someone with 28 years of experience in conducting salary surveys and designing pay plans.

According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, local elementary school teachers earn about the same average pay on an hourly basis as local reporters ($23.74). They also earn more than microbiologists ($20.60), zoologists ($17.36) and accountants ($22.49). Secondary school teachers even earn more per hour than civil engineers.

[CyberCowboy777]

I am convinced that the battle for humankind’s future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly view their role as the proselytizers of a new faith… The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new; the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with all its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of Humanism…

- -The Official Journal of the American Humanist Association [1983]

[Howlin]

They have insulted me, and people in galss houses should not throw stones.

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

You're too immature to be teaching children.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

yes, but the mistake is yours. I never said ALL teachers. I said ALL UNION TEACHERS. If they are in the union, IMO, they are part of the problem. I don't care what the excuse is. If you read the whole thread you would see where I credit the good teachers I have had with inspiring me to homeschool.

If you are objective you you will see I have been misrepresented because I am direct ,and because the "teachers" here do no twant to accept my personal accounts as fact. They want to say I am lying because what I say about what I have learned does not support their aganda. What I ahve lerned about debating women will now be the topic of this thread becauseI said on this forum what most people would only wisper about behind their wife's back.

[CyberCowboy777]

Ideas are for more powerful than guns. We don't allow our enemies to have guns, why should we allow them to have ideas?

- Stalin' >Joseph Stalin, In Politics

[FLAMING DEATH]

Well, I've been on many "teacher bashing" threads on FR before.

As a teacher, I guess my main complaint is that many people blame the problems on the teachers without examining what effects the laws, rules and regulations passed by State and Federal governments have on education (if you have several hours' free time, I can give you the complete rundown). Teachers are the visible elements, and while I don't doubt that some are terrible (as with any profession), it is too simplistic to just say that they're the problem with the school system.

As for salary, I know that next year will be my ninth year of service in the same school system, and this might be the first year I gross more than $30,000. Even teachers with doctorates around here rarely make more than $40,000.

I don't doubt that teachers make higher salaries in some places, but in everyday rural America, it just isn't so.

[justshe]

"The educated people who have w self control like me and my kids. "

Translation, please? w self control?

And trust me.......'educated' people can be just a stupid as uneducated people. You say doctors' and bankers' want their kids to play with your kids... and brag about that as some kind of badge of honor or acceptance or reflection on YOU....is what I feel sorry for you about. That you would be so concerned about that 'status' that you thinks gives YOU some sort of respectability or validation IS truly sad.

[CyberCowboy777]

It is the system and those that understand the system and still protect it that I take issue with - teacher, parents, administrators, politicians. I do not care, if you protect it or defend it your wrong.

When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side, 'I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already...What are you? You will pass on. Your decendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community.

- Adolf Hitler

[Lady Eileen]

I say stop worrying about the teachers, CRUSH the system. Then the 20% to 90% of teachers that are bad will be out of work.

I agree.

I notice you have a link to SepSchool.org on your homepage.

Have you signed the SepSchool.org/Proclamation yet ?

[Diva Betsy Ross]

That is not imature it means that delicate rose petals should not start slinging mud. You see I have a theory. Many women believe that they can call names and be abusive, but if someone acts back they cry they are hurt, or the other person is immature. It does not wash with me. If you are going to get into a fight with someone, be prepared to have the other person fight back. Not everyone is going to slink away from a fight.

The name calling began towards me because I have the conservative point of view. I responded and everyone pig pile. How mature is that?

I used to be surprised that this would happen on a conservative forum. Not anymore. IMO, and in my experience it happens when dealing with some types of women. I have meet some rational women here, thank God, because before free republic chicks, I just thought girls were self centered, irrational control freaks.

[FLAMING DEATH]

I agree totally. The system does NOT promote accountability. It reminds me of the '70's SNL commercial of the phone company where Lily Tomlin nonchalantly wreaks havoc with the phone system, and then, at the end of the commercial, she says, "We're the phone company. Where else you gonna go?"

The only thing that will correct the American educational system is complete revolution and turning the whole big mess over to the free market. Vouchers are a step in the right direction, but people need to be given the CHOICE of having their tax dollars going to the private school where their children attend.

If money starts coming out of the bureaucrats pockets because they're trying to sell an inferior product, the product will have to get better, or if it can't compete, it will die.

[CyberCowboy777]

http://www.sepschool.org/cgi/RegDisp.cgi/WA

Keath Huff
Washougal, 98671
Father of three, Computer Consultant

[CyberCowboy777]

My link was not working! I fixed it though.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Okay, I don't need status from a docter or banker. I have plenty of that myself. I mean to say educated people who have enough self control to not always play victim. You feel sorry for someone with a great life, great kids ,friends of all types from bankers, and steel workers ( whom I am also proud of). You feel sorry for someone who stands up and won't get bullied? You feel sorry for someone who understands the true freedom that comes with education ,and wants to offer that to all people, from all walks of life? You feel sorry for a conservative who doesn't like government waste?

Interesting.

BTW ,don't you know any shorthand?

[Howlin]

I have a theory, too: you have major issues with women.

[CyberCowboy777]

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

- C.S. Lewis

[justshe]

Off topic----but gorgeous area. We own property outside Washougal.

[justshe]

Please point out the shorthand in this sentence.

"The educated people who have w self control like me and my kids."

[CyberCowboy777]

REALLY!

I am actually about 20 minutes up the Gorge (Washougal River really) from Washougal. Different county and all but still called Washougal!

[Lady Eileen]

Great....24,299 signers...only 975,701 to go : )

[FLAMING DEATH]

I never fail to be amazed at the sheer number of people who work around the clock to oppress me, remove my choices, and deprive me of my rights, all in the name of making things better for me.

-Flaming Death