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Mammoth Herds 'Roamed Fertile Bering Strait In Ice Age'
Ananova ^ | 6-5-2003

Posted on 06/04/2003 3:39:25 PM PDT by blam

Mammoth herds 'roamed fertile Bering Strait in Ice Age'

Huge herds of mammoth, wild horses and bison once roamed the land bridge between North America and Siberia, new evidence suggests.

Plant fossils have shown that 24,000 years ago, during the last Ice Age, dry grassland covered much of region.

The vegetation would have allowed large populations of mammals to survive all year round on the now-submerged landmass known as Beringia or the Bering Strait.

Scientists writing in the journal Nature said the animals would have been sustained by a diet rich in prairie sage, bunch grasses, and other grass-like plants.

Grant Zazula, from Simon Fraser University, British Columbia, and colleagues analysed plant fossils from three sites in Canada's frozen Yukon territory.

During the Ice Age, the area would have had vegetation similar to that in eastern Beringia.

The scientists concluded that the region would have borne a grass-dominated ecosystem known as "mammoth steppe".

They wrote: "This vegetation was unlike that found in modern Arctic tundra, which can sustain relatively few mammals, but was instead a productive ecosystem of dry grassland that resembled extant (present) subarctic steppe communities."

Story filed: 18:40 Wednesday 4th June 2003


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: age; ancienthistory; archaeology; bering; beringstrait; catastrophism; fossils; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; herds; history; ice; iceage; mammoth; mammoths; siberia; strait
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To: blam
yec SPOTREP
21 posted on 06/04/2003 8:09:34 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Little Bill
"Come on blam cut me some slack, you are becoming a Lyellist(sp).

I don't know what that is.

22 posted on 06/04/2003 8:13:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Sir Charles Lyell

1797 - 1875 </p.

Sir Charles Lyell was born in Scotland on November 14, 1797 and died in London on February 22, 1875. He attended Oxford University at age 19. He was knighted for scientific accomplishment in 1848. He later became a Baron in 1864. He grew up the oldest of 10 children. Lyell's father was an active naturalist. Lyell had access to an elaborate library including subjects such as Geology.

When Lyell was at Oxford, his interests were mathematics, classics, the legal system (law) and geology. He attended a lecture by William Buckland that triggered his enthusiasm for geology.

Lyell originally started his career as a lawyer, but later turned to geology. His zoological skills aided in his extensive studies and observations throughout the world. He became an author of The Geological Evidence of the Antiquity of Man in 1863 and Principles of Geology (12 editions). Lyell argued in this book that, at the time, presently observable geological processes were adequate to explain geological history. He thought the action of the rain, sea, volcanoes and earthquakes explained the geological history of more ancient times.

Lyell rebelled against the prevailing theories of geology of the time. He thought the theories were biased, based on the interpretation of Genesis. He thought it would be more practical to exclude sudden geological catastrophes to vouch for fossil remains of extinct species and believed it was necessary to create a vast time scale for Earth's history. This concept was called Uniformitarianism. The second edition of Principles of Geology introduced new ideas regarding metamorphic rocks. It described rock changes due to high temperature in sedimentary rocks adjacent to igneous rocks. His third volume dealt with paleontology and stratigraphy. Lyell stressed that the antiquity of human species was far beyond the accepted theories of that time.

Lyell was married and his wife preceded him in death. He associated with many important people and went world wide when conducting his studies of geology. Charles Darwin became his dear friend and correspondent. Darwin is quoted saying, "The greatest merit of the Principles was that it altered the whole tone of one's mind, and therefore that, when seeing a thing never seen by Lyell, one yet saw it through his eyes."

23 posted on 06/04/2003 8:28:34 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: Little Bill
I think there are serious kinks in the uniformity theory. Read the Steen Mountain stuff, that enough to make yur hair stand on end!
24 posted on 06/04/2003 8:32:09 PM PDT by djf
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To: Little Bill
"Lyell stressed that the antiquity of human species was far beyond the accepted theories of that time."

I believe this is true today. ...and I'm a catastrophist.

25 posted on 06/04/2003 8:37:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: djf
Looks like the Scab Lands of Eastern Washington State.
26 posted on 06/04/2003 8:41:13 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: blam
Darwin and Lyell fed on and reinforced each other, I don't believe in evolution as it is presently defined, nor do I believe in the out of Africa theory, as you well know. Lyell and Darwin are two of the drag anchors holding back reasearch in human origins and dispersal.
27 posted on 06/04/2003 8:49:26 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: Little Bill
Ever hear of Hugh Auchincloss Brown?
28 posted on 06/04/2003 8:52:23 PM PDT by djf
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To: Ten Megaton Solution
I'm curious- have you actually read Earth in Upheaval? If so, what are your thoughts on the physical evidence that he presents in the book? (bones, etc.) I don't remember any bouncing planets in that book.
29 posted on 06/05/2003 3:40:05 AM PDT by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: Black Agnes
MMMMM,MMMMMM, good! Mammoth steak over an open fire!

our favorite!

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30 posted on 06/05/2003 9:18:12 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Black Agnes
and ROAST camel with mixed veggies!

that's good too;almost as good as DOG ( to quote Mel Gibson's character in The Patriot: DOG's a good meal!)!

free dixie NOW,sw

31 posted on 06/05/2003 9:31:48 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2
Earth in Upheaval was, as Velikovsky stated in the preface, a complilation of geophyscical data to substantiate the claims made in Worlds in Collision that his critics said were lacking. So Immanuel compiled a list of geophysical anomalies unexplained in 1948 and presumed they supported his mythology based fantasy previously published as Worlds in Collision.

The two books are complementary. Certainly I'm not going to forward an explanation of why a mamoth would die and freeze in the ice, rapidly enough to preserve it as edible, even though the animal had undigested grass in it's stomach. But it's certain the cause was neither Venus nor Mars bumping into the Earth's magnetosphere as proposed and altering the axis of rotation. And definitely not within human memory. Nope. Didn't happen. Sir Isaac Newton forbids it.

32 posted on 06/05/2003 11:49:01 AM PDT by Ten Megaton Solution
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To: Ten Megaton Solution
If the earth did have a great flood on the scale of the Biblical flood, could that have affected the earth's rotation? What would covering the earth in water do to the reflectivity of the surface and the temperature of the earth?
33 posted on 06/05/2003 11:59:03 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DannyTN
It doesn't matter. The Earth has never had a flood such at the described in early biblical mythology.
34 posted on 06/05/2003 12:23:27 PM PDT by Ten Megaton Solution
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To: Little Bill
Of course Mass was iced. The Kennedy's drink everything that way.
35 posted on 06/05/2003 12:32:08 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Little Bill
Sure now and didn't Bill Clinton say "Better put some ice on that, honey?"
36 posted on 06/05/2003 12:33:52 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: blam
A catastrophist in the literal sense? Where God periodicaly destroys most life via world wide catastrophy and re-creates new life forms?

Interesting.

Catastrophism went out of favor in the mid 19th century. I've always been fascinated by that theory myself. Strictly speaking, there is NO EVIDENCE for creation just as there is NO EVIDENCE for evolution. Evolution is an excellent theory that would tie many things together and answer many questions, but there is no EVIDENCE. It seems to me there is a stronger argument for catastrophism than for evolution or creation.

Or were you kidding...
37 posted on 06/05/2003 12:50:34 PM PDT by IYAAYAS (Live free or die trying)
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To: Ten Megaton Solution
Mammoth Mummies
38 posted on 06/05/2003 12:57:08 PM PDT by Ten Megaton Solution
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To: djf
Doesn't make sense. Glaciers as far south as central Ohio, all of Alberta and Saskatchewan buried under 2 miles of ice, and these big, waving fields of grasslands in the Bering Strait, what 15 degrees farther north? There's something they ain't telling us.

Change in ocean currents, I would guess. Right now the North Atlantic is warmed by the Gulf Stream - but from what I have read about the Ice Ages, the circulation in the North Atlantic changed, blocking warm water from flowing northward. Hence the ice in Ohio and England. Likewise, a warm current could have kept Beringia ice-free.

39 posted on 06/05/2003 1:00:27 PM PDT by dirtboy (someone kidnapped dirtboy and replaced him with an exact replica)
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To: Ten Megaton Solution
"So Immanuel compiled a list of geophysical anomalies unexplained in 1948"

I don't know what your background is and I'm just a layman who reads a lot about this stuff (with what little free time I have). I would love to see Velikovsky debunked but at this point I'm still keeping an open mind. My first question to you is what, of the anomalies descibed in his book, are the explanations that we have today? Why in the world are there huge masses of mammoth bones (and other animals) piled up in Alaska and Siberia, shattered and mixed in with gravel and broken trees? What of the caves in England and the other anomalies in the book?

Another thing that bothers me is why don't we learn about these anomalies? Are they really anomalies if there is evidence across the globe? I don't have the book with me to pull examples so I'm just going by memory. I'm not a Velikovsky apologist but it is interesting to me that only in his books do I hear about evidence like this.

You sound like you know what you're talking about and you seem familiar with Velikovsky so I'd love to hear what you have to say- like I say I have an open mind.

40 posted on 06/05/2003 1:06:23 PM PDT by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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