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Do We Live In A "Stop And Go" Universe?
spaceref.com ^ | 27 May 03 | staff

Posted on 05/27/2003 4:15:08 PM PDT by RightWhale

Do We Live In A "Stop And Go" Universe?

Anyone who drives is familiar with the frustration of being caught in "stop and go" traffic, a phenomenon found in urban areas all over the world. Astronomers have found that stop-and-go traffic is even more widespread than that, affecting galaxies throughout the universe. Today at the 202nd meeting of the American Astronomical Society, Robert Kirshner (Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics), on behalf of the international High-z Supernova Search Team led by Brian Schmidt (Mount Stromlo Observatory), presented evidence that the expanding universe slowed for billions of years before galaxies began accelerating, like cars that get past a bottleneck.

"Right now, the universe is speeding up, with galaxies zooming away from each other like Indy 500 racers hitting the gas when the green flag drops and the pace car gets out of their way. But we suspect that it wasn't always this way," said Kirshner.

John Tonry (University of Hawaii), principal investigator of the team for the new and collected previous observations reported on today, agreed. "We've been hoping to see this effect of slowing in the distant past. We saw evidence 5 years ago that the expansion of the universe currently is accelerating, but we didn't know for sure what it was doing 7 billion years ago. We are now seeing hints that, way back then, the universe was slowing down."

Astronomers discovered seven decades ago that the universe is expanding, with galaxies rushing away from each other in all directions. Physics suggested that the expansion, which began with the Big Bang, should slow down over time due to the combined gravitational pull from all matter in the cosmos.

Two groups-the High-z Supernova Search Team and the Supernova Cosmology Project-sought to study the universe's expansion by observing distant exploding stars called Type Ia supernovae. At their peak, these explosions are brighter than a billion stars like the Sun, enabling astronomers to see and study them across billions of light-years of space.

Five years ago, both teams announced that their studies of Type Ia supernovae showed the expansion of the universe is speeding up. The accelerating expansion pointed to the existence of an unexplained "dark energy" that permeates all of space.

Those initial findings were based on a few dozen supernovae. Now, the High-z Supernova Search Team has expanded that work to 79 distant and 140 nearby supernovae, some newly observed and some previously studied by observers worldwide. The additional data show with higher precision that the discovery of five years ago was correct and the universe currently is accelerating.

More importantly, Kirshner reported that Tonry and the High-z Supernova Search Team snagged four supernovae so distant that their light may well have left at a time when the universe was still slowing down, before dark energy began to dominate the gravitational pull of matter.

Future plans include doubling the number of well-observed Type Ia supernovae through an ambitious program at the National Science Foundation's Cerro-Tololo Inter-American Observatory. The ESSENCE project (standing for "Equation of State: SupErNovae trace Cosmic Expansion") seeks to make an accurate measurement of the cosmic parameter w, which provides clues about the nature of the dark energy. The parameter w is defined as p/rho, the ratio of the dark energy's pressure to its energy density.

"A better measurement of w will help answer the question: Is the dark energy Einstein's cosmological constant, or is it something else such as the so-called 'quintessence'?" said Chris Stubbs (University of Washington), one of the leaders of the ESSENCE project. "This is an important question considering that about 70 percent of the energy in the universe is dark energy, while only 30 percent is due to matter. Whatever dark energy is, it's the dominant stuff of the cosmos. We can't lose: No matter what we find, this will be interesting."

Currently, the value of w is known only to within a factor of 2. The ESSENCE project will do 10 times better, reducing the level of uncertainty to plus or minus 10 percent.

Adam Riess (Space Telescope Science Institute), as principal investigator for the Higher-z Supernova Search Team, is cooperating with the Great Observatories Origins Deep Survey (GOODS) to look for higher-redshift supernovae using the Hubble Space Telescope's Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS). That program uses the ACS to find Type Ia supernovae at very large redshifts (and hence large distances), in order to look back even farther in time. The Higher-z project will have the best chance to determine whether the universe really was slowing down before cosmic acceleration kicked in.


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KEYWORDS: astrophysics; cosmology; crevolist; quintessence
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To: RightWhale
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
And you feel that you've had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough,

Just remember that you're standing on a planet
That's evolving
And revolving
At nine thousand miles an hour.
It's orbiting at nineteen miles a second,
so it's reckoned,
'Round the sun that is the source of all our power.
Now the sun, and you and me,
and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm,
at fourteen thousand miles an hour,
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred million stars;
It's a hundred thousand light-years side to side;
It bulges in the middle
sixteen thousand light-years thick,
But out by us
it's just three thousand light-years wide.
We're thirty thousand light-years
From Galactic Central Point,
We go 'round every two hundred million years;
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go,
that's the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute
And that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember,
when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life
Somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!

-- Eric Idle

41 posted on 05/27/2003 7:03:45 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: Hot Tabasco
I prefer to believe in love as the primary cause.
Sing along!

STOP! In the name of love... before you break my heart.
42 posted on 05/27/2003 7:04:47 PM PDT by Saturnalia (My name is Matt Foley and I live in a VAN down by the RIVER.)
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To: RightWhale
Could something else than mere velocity cause the observed shift in spectra?

Sure, if you're prepared to postulate new physics and to give up energy conservation. You also have to explain why supernovae seem to have developed more slowly in the distant past.

Also, this article throws a monkey wrench into the expansion of the universe model since it means the orderly distance measurements and therefore the timeline would be thrown off.

The most accurate estimates for the age of the universe do not depend on the cosmological distance ladder, but on the WMAP data. Furthermore, even if the distance ladder were all we had, a non-constant Hubble parameter wouldn't defeat the principle; it would simply reduce its accuracy. (The fact that the index of refraction of air changes over moderate distances doesn't change the fact that things look smaller as they get farther away.)

43 posted on 05/27/2003 7:07:59 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: RightWhale
we could be left with just the local galactic cluster somewhere down the line. Not a real hopeful situation

I know the Creator of the Universe and he said it won't be that bad.

44 posted on 05/27/2003 7:20:33 PM PDT by WKB (If all you're gonna do is ride in the wagon, at least pickup your feet!)
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To: The Shootist
The further away we look, the longer the wavelengths. What causes wavelengths to lengthen? The Doppler Effect, a known, proven and testable phenomenon.

Anything else and you might as well believe in Warp Drive.

The Doppler Shift may be observable fact, but when one observes a phenomenom that seems to be occuring at a certain distance that should have a specified Red Shift and DOES NOT, then one MUST start examining one's assumptions.

Several observations from the last few years are causing a serious re-thinking of the assumptions behind the velocity explanation for the so called Doppler Shift. The observation of objects that theory says only existed billions of years ago with red shift associated with much younger objects, the quantification of the red shift itself, the subject of this article, all force us to re-evaluate our assumptions.

Applying the Doppler Shift to astronomy involves the assumption that observed tonal changes (apparent wavelength) of sound from approaching and receeding sound sources is analogous to light from distant objects. Perhaps this is a falacious analogy.

The acceptance of the Doppler like velocity explanation for the observed red shift assumes that the conditions we experience in our local neighborhood are the same conditions elsewhere... which may be a very provincial view. For example, velocity is actually composed of TWO qualtities... distance and time. Perhaps it is TIME that is varying rather than distance! Our assumption that time proceeds at he same rate everywhere in the Universe is just that... an assumption. It may be that the farther away from any observational point, the passage of time is faster. We have no way of actually checking this assumption. An increase in the passage of time would distort both our measurement of velocity, distance, AND frequency.

45 posted on 05/27/2003 7:34:35 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Tagline Extermination Services, franchises available, small investment, big profit)
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To: MHGinTN
We'll probably find that the dimensions we know, don't exist as such, that we find Cartesian x, y, and z convenient, that looking at things in terms of energy states is also convenient. There is a tremendous amount of research done now in math: new objects, new definitions, new theorems, the end is nowhere in sight. Physicists, especially cosmologists, like to play with the objects of math to see if they might help 'splain the universe. There are new ways of looking at it every day and one of these days something fundamental in our ideas is going to change.
46 posted on 05/27/2003 7:39:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: RightWhale
I agree with Walt -- it was all about slavery.
47 posted on 05/27/2003 7:42:28 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Hot Tabasco
But hey, what do I know, I'm only a rockette scientist....

Yeah and I'm gamma girl, red shifts are my specialty.

48 posted on 05/27/2003 8:05:07 PM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I am tired of all the importance supposedly attached to these discussions about matter and the speed of light. What I would like to know is, what is the speed of dark.

I can see the NY Times headline when it announces the Universe is collapsing on itself, "Universe to End. Homeless and Poor Most Affected".

49 posted on 05/27/2003 8:06:41 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Never draw to an inside straight)
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To: Swordmaker
None the less, the faster an object moves away, in relation to the observer, the more pronounced the shift to lower frequencies, this is observable with EM as well as sound. It is also true that, in every single case, the further a cosmological object is from the observer the higher its red-shift. This, regardless of such things as Inflation, or whether Einstein's Cosmological Constant is < 0, 0 or > 0.

There are also objects that appear to be moving closer to the Earth bound observer and, without exception, the frequency increases the faster the object appears to be moving.

Additionally, Stars appear to be Stars, wherever we look, near or FAR. That lends credence to the notion that C has remained constant, at least since the first star reached a mass sufficient to induce Hydrogen Fusion. Energy does equal mass times the speed of light squared, after all. Which is also proven and observable.

One gedanken suggests that if space-time itself were stretching, then perhaps, wave-lengths would lengthen with apparent distance, but the "speed" of light would remain unchanged.

Once again I harken back to Occam. No other explanation or theory is as elegant, or as simple, as the one currently in use.
50 posted on 05/27/2003 8:53:51 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: longshadow
Thanks for the ping, will read in the morning. Too tired tonight! LOLOL!
51 posted on 05/27/2003 8:54:32 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Saturnalia
STOP! In the name of love... before you break my heart.

Oh come on, think it o-o-ver.

52 posted on 05/27/2003 8:58:27 PM PDT by ladyinred (Bush/Cheney '04ever!)
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To: Physicist
I recall reading that one of the problems with dark energy is that it is not detectable in a laboratory setting (yet) when it ought to be, in order to account for such a high percentage of all mass in the universe.

I also recall reading that the "can't find it" anomaly gives rise to the possibility that dark energy is a signature of some (as yet) unknown property of space/time or gravity.

Have you heard of either of these and if so, do you have any updates for us?

53 posted on 05/27/2003 9:14:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWhale
Any direction you look, if you see deeply enough, you will see the Big Bang.

IOW Wherever you go, there you are!

54 posted on 05/27/2003 9:25:09 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Gary Boldwater
It may not be the left over light from the big bang doppler shifted.

What I'd like to know is how, in an expanding universe in which light moves at a constant speed and throughout which nothing can move faster than light, any electromagnetic radiation "left over" from the Big Bang that is not the artifact of an almost infinite series of reflections can be observed by anyone who has not been moving at the speed of light from the very moment of the Big Bang. Based upon the proposed rate of expansion and the age of the universe, for distinct point sources of light what is the upper limit on the oldest image that could be expected to be seen?
55 posted on 05/27/2003 9:29:59 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: The Shootist
The "cosmological red shift" is a hypothesis. Do an internet search on that exact term and you'll find at least 1/2 dozen different explanations for the cause of it.

Do another search on the "fine structure" and "the speed of light". By looking at the emission spectra of ancient atoms there's evidence that light has slowed over time.

As far as c not being constant in a vacuum, or all observers must measure c the same regardless of inertial reference frame. Think of this experiment. You have a railroad car 200 meters long. In the exact center is an isotropic light source. At each end of the car are two observers with clocks, equidistant from the center. The light source emits a pulse, the clocks are synchronized. The rail car accelerates to 1/2 the speed of light along the axis of the source and observers, which undergo equal Lorentz contractions and the like. A light pulse is emitted when the car is moving inertially at 1/2 the speed of light. Do the observers at the ends see the light pulse arriving at the same time?

If the answer is yes then how come the east to west speed of light on the surface of the earth is not the same as the west to east? If your answer is no, then are the two observers in the same reference frame measuring different speeds of light?

56 posted on 05/27/2003 9:37:16 PM PDT by Gary Boldwater
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To: RightWhale
Astronomers discovered seven decades ago that the universe is expanding, with galaxies rushing away from each other in all directions.

Or, more accurately stated:
Seven decades ago some astronomers assumed the red shift observed in all directions was evidence of recessional velocity and posited that the receding sources of light must have originally proceeded from a single point in what they came to call the Big Bang. This idea, in spite of many contrary observational data in the decades since, has become the standard dogma, the theoretical glass slipper for which many observational toes have been crushed to conform or simply ignored.

57 posted on 05/27/2003 9:39:43 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Gary Boldwater
It matters not what "speed" they are travelling, the two observers are stationary in relation to the light source. To an outside observer in the rear the light is shining in the infra-red, to an outside observer placed in front of this conveyence the light is shining in ultra-violet. Both outside observers "see" the light at the same time (assuming they are equi-distant from the source when the light pulses), as do both stationary observers.

Show me proof (from CalTech, MIT, Stanford or Cornell, not some ninnyhammer that has some kinda axe to grind) that C is different "east to west" than it is "west to east". This would be an observable, repeatable and provable, violation of Special Relativity, which of course has not happened. E still equals mass times the speed of light squared, and in a vacuum, light always travels at a speed of 299,792,458 meters per second, no matter how its speed is measured.

On the gripping hand, at 1/2 C, the visible light coming from the direction of travel of your unlikely conveyance has now shortened to hard X-rays and has killed the two observers.
58 posted on 05/27/2003 10:14:51 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: RightWhale
YEC read later
59 posted on 05/27/2003 10:18:21 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: The Shootist
It is also true that, in every single case, the further a cosmological object is from the observer the higher its red-shift.

No, it is NOT true. Objects HAVE been observed with a lower red shift that are farther away than other objects with much higher red shifts... and other objects have been discovered that have higher red shifts but are apparently in front of objects that have lower red shifts. It is these anomolies that are causing the re-evaluation of the Doppler Red Shift theory.

Just ONE thing that does not fit the theory means you must re-evaluate your data, you theory, or your assumptions.

It may be that the observers of these anomolous objects are mistaken in their observations or their calculations, or it is possible that the entire theory is incomplete or just wrong, or the assumptions you are basing your analysis upon are flawed.

If your simple, elegant theory does not cover the observed (and confirmed) events, then, regardless of William of Occam's razor, it is wrong. You start looking for a simpler, more elegant theory.

60 posted on 05/27/2003 11:50:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Tagline Extermination Services, franchises available, small investment, big profit)
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