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Real Southern Barbeque
Shucks.net ^ | 13 May 2003 | Brad Edmonds

Posted on 05/13/2003 4:44:31 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

The origins of term "barbeque" and the cooking methods associated with it are lost to history. The term itself may derive from a French term meaning something to the effect of "head to tail." Indeed, much barbeque involves cooking the entire animal. Some stories say the tradition in the US dates to the 1700s in Virginia and North Carolina, among colonists who perhaps learned the technique from American Indians or Caribbean aborigines. Given that the basic requisites are meat and fire, barbequing probably dates back about as far back as human use of fire.

As to the term "barbeque" today, different people take it different ways. There is "grilling" the meat is within several inches of the flames, such as with an hibachi, and you get grill marks; and "smoking" the meat is nowhere near the flames, and the hot smoke itself cooks the meat. According to 19th-century cowboy traditions, the meat should be cooked at around 200 degrees F., so any place near a flame would be too hot. The smoke flavor itself is part of the objective; keeping the meat tender and juicy is the rest (though I don t believe I ve ever eaten a juicy barbequed brisket).

For "barbeque," some people think smoking and some think grilling. It would be helpful if we could come up with some additional terms one for smoking and then slathering with barbeque sauce, one for smoking while basting with barbeque sauce, another for grilling while basting. Perhaps another for grilling and then basting. For now, when somebody sells or otherwise offers you something they claim has been barbequed, look around or ask how it was cooked. You re not being rude; cooking meat is an art, and the more you can learn about the flavors and textures that result from different techniques, the better. Most cooks and chefs are pleased to hear "how did you prepare this?"

At cookoffs, Texans often will smoke a piece of meat for six hours or more, up to six feet away from the flame. A more common technique is to have the meat directly over the flame, but a low flame, with the whole contraption enclosed to keep in the smoke. This is a more practical alternative to fabricating a grill that measures 3' by 5' by 7'.

There s pretty much one real regional difference in the South with regard to the meat. The vast majority of Dixie, upon hearing "barbeque," assumes pork; Texans don t. Rather, they often assume beef brisket. As to the wood used for smoking, there is disagreement, but the differences are found in every town and don t follow regional lines (except that some hardwoods were more available in some places than others in the past; today, you can get anything at a big grocery store). Hickory and mesquite are the most popular; applewood and "hardwood" are still seen here and there. The real disagreement is over whether the variety of wood matters much. There is much less disagreement that wood gives more smoke flavor than charcoal. There can be no disagreement that gas grills don t impart any smoke flavor.

There are more differences with regard to sauces. In Texas, barbequed meat is usually served with sauce on the side if there is any sauce at all. My favorite restaurant in College Station (I can t remember its name) served half a raw onion, a 4-oz. slice of cheddar cheese, a pickle, and 8 ounces of whatever meat you wanted, all on a piece of butcher paper. They gave you a knife (no fork) and a jar of their own barbeque sauce. The meat choices were pork tenderloin; beef that could pass for tenderloin; polish sausage; and I forget what else. Maybe chicken. The sauce I remember: Thick and fresh (hot from the pot, actually), but with very little flavor beyond tomato no pepper heat, no vinegar tang, no sweetness, no real spicy piquancy.

That s probably not typical of Texas barbeque sauces. A list of ingredients from one of the self-proclaimed "best" Texas barbeque sauces begins with "tomato concentrate, distilled vinegar, corn syrup, salt, spices ." That would be typical of barbeque sauces around the country: They ll have a tomato base, vinegar, sweetener, always a little garlic and onion, and some heat. They sometimes have a puckering tang from prepared (powdered) mustard or turmeric; and some have a little citrus flavoring of some sort. Mustard-based sauces show up in some places; they tend to be less sweet than the brownish sauces.

Those are the basic two, with the tomato-based sauce being the most popular. However, eastern North Carolina and Virginia have a tradition of their own: A watery, vinegar-based sauce with no tomato, sugar, or mustard flavor. I ordered a bottle and tasted it, and can report that it is similar to any "Louisiana" hot sauce (the ingredients of which should always be only vinegar, peppers, and salt). The North Carolina sauce added some other spices that gave it an extremely dry, almost bitter flavor, similar to a Thai pepper sauce. The particular one I sampled has won awards in North Carolina, but to me it seemed to be lacking something. The spices made the sauce seem to want for some sweetness, which impression does not accompany the taste of a Louisiana hot sauce.

If you haven t had the chance to sample any local Southern barbeque sauces, despair not: The flavor that best captures the typical sauce can be had for 99 cents just buy a bottle of Kraft barbeque sauce. That isn t shameful Kraft hires food experts to develop sauces for a living, and they measure proportions in parts per million. Kraft, by the way, sells about 50 varieties, and they re all inexpensive and good. Don t spend $4 on a bottle of sauce heck, Kraft makes the more expensive "gourmet" Bullseye sauces. They re not any better than the 99-cent stuff.

Most local Southern sauces taste similar to one Kraft variety or another. At one of the more famous barbeque joints in the Southeast, Dreamland (based in Tuscaloosa, Alabama), the sauce tastes exactly like the regular Kraft with a little sugar and heat added. That the good local sauces and Kraft sauces are similar means only that Southerners and food giants are arriving at a good flavor. And some of Kraft s 50 relatively new varieties probably are themselves imitations of, or inspired by, various local twists on the basic theme.

Indeed, just as government interventions lag behind the market s identification of needs and their solutions (e.g., in the early 20th century, the government decided to write child-labor laws after the economy began to generate enough wealth that children weren t any longer being sent to factories by their parents, and after special-interest groups decided they were outraged by a practice that was already going away), big corporations get "new" food-product ideas from foods people already have. The Oreo probably wasn t even an exception. They won t tell, though; I tried to get information out of Kraft, to no avail.

So, "barbeque," whatever the term means, isn t a Southern invention; surely it s as old as the hills. All we did was perfect it. The reasons why would be pure speculation, but they probably begin with our better climate, our love of hunting and fishing, our greater sociability, our slower-paced life, and our tasty pigs; and end with the only possible result of millions of people enjoying a craft that requires them to do all the work every time: Innovations happen randomly, frequently, sometimes serendipitously, but inexorably.

A note about perfection: Theoretically, there s no such thing. Practically, however, every time you barbeque something well and everybody loves it, it s perfect; and as tastes change over time, recipes and techniques will evolve to accommodate them, and it ll still be perfect.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bbq; dixie; dixielist; mustardsaucesucks; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; south
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To: putupon
But ribs ain't BBQ. BBQ is chopped, minced, or pulled pig meat, plain and simple.

As I said, to each his own.

If you like that stuff, you are obviously from Michigan or some other snow encrusted tundra and grew up eating salisbury steak.

Now you're just being silly. As I told people in NC when they said "you must not be from the South"--"No, I'm from Texas". FYI, I would much rather be in the South if I can't be in Texas, but I'll stick to real bbq, thanks.

241 posted on 05/14/2003 8:03:31 AM PDT by babaloo999
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To: stainlessbanner
My fravite ribs!

JACK DANIELS RIB GLAZE

1 C. Jack Daniel's Old No.7 Sour Mash Whiskey
1/2 C. dark brown sugar
1 C. Hunt's catsup
2 tsp. Worcestershire sauce
1/4 C. vinegar
1 T. fresh lemon juice
2 T. dark molasses
3 cloves garlic
1/2 tsp. dry mustard
1/4 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. pepper

Baby back rib racks - 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 pounds each

Volume of glaze (about one pint) will cover approximately four rib racks of 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 pounds each.

Preheat oven to 400 degrees. Combine all ingredients, mix well. Set aside 1/4 cup of the mixture for later use. Place each rack on doubled foil large enough to completely wrap ribs. Brush ribs with a coat of glaze, wrap and seal foil. Cook 30 minutes at 400 degrees. Reduce heat to 300 degrees. Continue to cook an additional four hours for two racks, plus 30 minutes for each additional rack. Remove from oven and brush remaining glaze over ribs. Return to oven and continue to cook, open, for another 30 minutes.

Servings: 4-6
242 posted on 05/14/2003 8:06:17 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: lodwick
Dixie Chicks?
243 posted on 05/14/2003 8:08:42 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: noutopia; putupon
If it has vinegar, then I'll pass. I just do not like the sour taste of vinegar. I don't particularly like so-called 'hot wings' because they're usually smothered in tabasco sauce(vinegar). That's just me.
Actually, if you barbeque right, you don't need sauce. Sometimes it just ruins the flavor. I do agree that most barbecue sauce is just fancied up catsup, anyway. I like something a little spicy, but please, no vinegar.
I'll nod my head and agree with the quaint attitudes about local bbq customs, but please, please, please, no vinegar. Thanks in advance.
244 posted on 05/14/2003 8:14:51 AM PDT by babaloo999
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To: tcostell
My wife has developed an allergy to tomato so I'm very interested in alternatives.

FYI: For years, I thought I, too, was allergic to tomatoes. Figured it was the acid. Then a couple of years ago I decided to take a chance and eat some of my sil's organic-grown ones. No nasty hives or yucko other allergic reactions whatsoever. Thought maybe that allergy was behind me so tried to eat some canned tomato products. Caused big problems! Decided to risk one more experiment and tried Muir Glen organic canned tomatoes. ... In my case, it appears to be problems with pesticide residue or something. I don't have allergy problems -- at least when it comes to tomatoes -- when I eat organically grown ones.

I have an (outdoor or George Foreman grill) recipe that I created for boneless, skinless chicken thighs that all my friends and family like (and request) that doesn't use any tomato. I don't like food very salty, so I use the marinade as a "dip" right before grilling for the chicken rather than marinate the chicken in it.
245 posted on 05/14/2003 8:20:57 AM PDT by Fawnn (I think therefore I'm halfway there....)
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To: lodwick
Yeah, cole-slaw on a bbq sandwich is default in NC, unless you ask otherwise. Took me many years to accept it.

There is a "Carolina burger" down here, its a cheese burger with chili, slaw and onions.
246 posted on 05/14/2003 8:21:29 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: sam_paine
"God knows where your version came from"

Well, he should, he invented it -- in Eastern NC. Seriously, we were "settled" first, long before Texas. So, all other are Johnny come Latelies.

"And finally, this author is still an idiot."

No, just nuts.
247 posted on 05/14/2003 8:21:40 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Fawnn
My wife also has reactions to latex (the dentist's gloves) potato, avacado, and a few others as well. It's a mild reaction, but enough to make her to want to avoid contact, but I'll let her know.

Thanks for the data.

248 posted on 05/14/2003 8:27:25 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: stainlessbanner
I spent my whole life living on the left coast and recently moved to central Texas. I can honestly say that BarBQ has taken on a whole new meaning. My eyes have been opened. All these years of eating ruined animal flesh. I love the jalapeno sausage, the brisket, the barbacoa, and even the chicken. Good seafood is a little hard to find but, oh well, I'll survive.
249 posted on 05/14/2003 8:34:59 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: tcostell
For me, molds seem to cause the problems when it comes to potatoes. I've found that I can eat 'em IF I french fry them. (Wonderful excuse for fries!) I have a Fry Baby and use (regular, not extra virgin) olive oil. Peel the potatoes, taking the peels off in such big chunks that I'd feel guilty if I didn't know I was doing so to avoid a migraine, slice 'em thin for potato chips or chunk 'em into fries, blot with a paper towel (none of that dip in water or pre-fry or extra steps stuff for me!), and fry 'em. Using the proper temp. and the olive oil, the fries absorb very little oil. Best seasoned with sea salt.

I can also eat baked potatoes. If want mashed potatoes, I wrap the potatoes in foil (to keep 'em moist) and bake for at least an hour, then scrape out the insides. Ditto for potato salad. Or just to eat like a baked tator w/butter and sour cream. I just can't eat the skin. (Fake-baking 'em by zapping the potatoes in the microwave doesn't work.)

I just got some Cascadian Farms frozen organic hash browns, but I haven't tried 'em yet. I'd love to try some of the fancy kinds of potatoes available from places like Wood Prairie Farms but many are so small there wouldn't be anything left if the only way I can eat 'em is to take away the skin and some of the flesh underneath it. But, I digress....

I return you to your regularly scheduled BBQ debate....
250 posted on 05/14/2003 8:53:53 AM PDT by Fawnn (I think therefore I'm halfway there....)
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To: al_c
"Looking for good BBQ in TX? Try Clarks in Tioga (birthplace of Gene Autry). They're in Texas Monthly's top 10."

Haven't been there myself, but my daughter and son-in-law gave the place an "A". And, from experience, the links at Black's in Lockhart rate "best of breed".

252 posted on 05/14/2003 9:46:15 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: azhenfud
Thanks for the recipe. It's gonna be a fun BBQ weekend!
253 posted on 05/14/2003 10:17:26 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
You're welcome. I'm cooking the recipe up again this Saturday, myself.

As you know, the secret to good, tender barbecue ribs is time - and plenty of it. (I wouldn't use the term "liberal", just because.)

I usually prepare the sauce the night before and start cooking for an EVENING meal just before twelve o'clock, finishing around six.

These ribs cook up fork-tender and fall off the bone, leaving the bone to "age" completely "white". I cooked them up for a friend and his wife, and my friend said the bones looked as if they had been bleached in the desert. That was the first time I'd ever thought of it that way, but it's true.

My friend also shared with me a recipe of mashed potatoes where one uses sour cream instead of milk. With the ribs and those potatos, you could do yourself some serious hurt. LOL!

Happy eating!
Az
255 posted on 05/14/2003 12:14:03 PM PDT by azhenfud
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To: skull stomper
I lived in Washington for 31 years, and never knew a chinook salmon was a king salmon.

I always preferred kings and silvers for barbeque. Butter, garlic, a little lemon, and lots of alder smoke make for an outstanding meal.

The heretics here in Texas smear their salmon with all kinds of goo. I've seen 'em smothered in dill, coated with some honey-fruit garbage, covered in barbeque sauce... Of course on the other hand, almost always it's atlantic salmon, so they're probably just trying to give it some flavor.

It's depressing. And as bad as cooking brisket by boiling it in catsup.
256 posted on 05/14/2003 12:29:08 PM PDT by jimt
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To: azhenfud
(I wouldn't use the term "liberal", just because.)

LOL! Enjoy your ribs and those dee-licious taters. They sure sound good.

258 posted on 05/14/2003 12:48:48 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: skull stomper
Do you/ have you ever had smoked/Bar-B-Q Moose ribs?

No sir, only venison, where my buddy made 1" deep cuts in the haunch which he stuffed with bacon and garlic cloves.

A friend of my wife's here in Houston made the most fantastic beef ribs I'd ever eaten. I got her to agree to swap my chili recipe for instructions on how to do the ribs.

You won't believe it. I didn't until I witnessed the cooking.

Take regular beef ribs. Cover them with a goodly amount of Lawry's seasoning salt. Puncture vigorously with a knife or fork to work the Lawry's in. Put 'em in a ziploc with a moderate amount of a mild italian salad dressing. Slow cook over a very smoky fire (she uses pecan, and a 55 gallon drum pit).

Lawry's seasoning salt and italian dressing !!! I normally NEVER eat ribs, but I definitely scarf these down and beg for more.

This will no doubt be utter heresy on this thread.

259 posted on 05/14/2003 1:18:12 PM PDT by jimt
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To: stainlessbanner
Anyone who can should check out the current issue (May 2003) of Texas Monthly. It leaves little doubt that Texas is, indeed, the Barbeque Capitol of the World.

P.S. Pulled pork with vinegary sauce is know down here as "Yankeeque".

260 posted on 05/14/2003 1:22:36 PM PDT by Extremist
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