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Real Southern Barbeque
Shucks.net ^ | 13 May 2003 | Brad Edmonds

Posted on 05/13/2003 4:44:31 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

The origins of term "barbeque" and the cooking methods associated with it are lost to history. The term itself may derive from a French term meaning something to the effect of "head to tail." Indeed, much barbeque involves cooking the entire animal. Some stories say the tradition in the US dates to the 1700s in Virginia and North Carolina, among colonists who perhaps learned the technique from American Indians or Caribbean aborigines. Given that the basic requisites are meat and fire, barbequing probably dates back about as far back as human use of fire.

As to the term "barbeque" today, different people take it different ways. There is "grilling" the meat is within several inches of the flames, such as with an hibachi, and you get grill marks; and "smoking" the meat is nowhere near the flames, and the hot smoke itself cooks the meat. According to 19th-century cowboy traditions, the meat should be cooked at around 200 degrees F., so any place near a flame would be too hot. The smoke flavor itself is part of the objective; keeping the meat tender and juicy is the rest (though I don t believe I ve ever eaten a juicy barbequed brisket).

For "barbeque," some people think smoking and some think grilling. It would be helpful if we could come up with some additional terms one for smoking and then slathering with barbeque sauce, one for smoking while basting with barbeque sauce, another for grilling while basting. Perhaps another for grilling and then basting. For now, when somebody sells or otherwise offers you something they claim has been barbequed, look around or ask how it was cooked. You re not being rude; cooking meat is an art, and the more you can learn about the flavors and textures that result from different techniques, the better. Most cooks and chefs are pleased to hear "how did you prepare this?"

At cookoffs, Texans often will smoke a piece of meat for six hours or more, up to six feet away from the flame. A more common technique is to have the meat directly over the flame, but a low flame, with the whole contraption enclosed to keep in the smoke. This is a more practical alternative to fabricating a grill that measures 3' by 5' by 7'.

There s pretty much one real regional difference in the South with regard to the meat. The vast majority of Dixie, upon hearing "barbeque," assumes pork; Texans don t. Rather, they often assume beef brisket. As to the wood used for smoking, there is disagreement, but the differences are found in every town and don t follow regional lines (except that some hardwoods were more available in some places than others in the past; today, you can get anything at a big grocery store). Hickory and mesquite are the most popular; applewood and "hardwood" are still seen here and there. The real disagreement is over whether the variety of wood matters much. There is much less disagreement that wood gives more smoke flavor than charcoal. There can be no disagreement that gas grills don t impart any smoke flavor.

There are more differences with regard to sauces. In Texas, barbequed meat is usually served with sauce on the side if there is any sauce at all. My favorite restaurant in College Station (I can t remember its name) served half a raw onion, a 4-oz. slice of cheddar cheese, a pickle, and 8 ounces of whatever meat you wanted, all on a piece of butcher paper. They gave you a knife (no fork) and a jar of their own barbeque sauce. The meat choices were pork tenderloin; beef that could pass for tenderloin; polish sausage; and I forget what else. Maybe chicken. The sauce I remember: Thick and fresh (hot from the pot, actually), but with very little flavor beyond tomato no pepper heat, no vinegar tang, no sweetness, no real spicy piquancy.

That s probably not typical of Texas barbeque sauces. A list of ingredients from one of the self-proclaimed "best" Texas barbeque sauces begins with "tomato concentrate, distilled vinegar, corn syrup, salt, spices ." That would be typical of barbeque sauces around the country: They ll have a tomato base, vinegar, sweetener, always a little garlic and onion, and some heat. They sometimes have a puckering tang from prepared (powdered) mustard or turmeric; and some have a little citrus flavoring of some sort. Mustard-based sauces show up in some places; they tend to be less sweet than the brownish sauces.

Those are the basic two, with the tomato-based sauce being the most popular. However, eastern North Carolina and Virginia have a tradition of their own: A watery, vinegar-based sauce with no tomato, sugar, or mustard flavor. I ordered a bottle and tasted it, and can report that it is similar to any "Louisiana" hot sauce (the ingredients of which should always be only vinegar, peppers, and salt). The North Carolina sauce added some other spices that gave it an extremely dry, almost bitter flavor, similar to a Thai pepper sauce. The particular one I sampled has won awards in North Carolina, but to me it seemed to be lacking something. The spices made the sauce seem to want for some sweetness, which impression does not accompany the taste of a Louisiana hot sauce.

If you haven t had the chance to sample any local Southern barbeque sauces, despair not: The flavor that best captures the typical sauce can be had for 99 cents just buy a bottle of Kraft barbeque sauce. That isn t shameful Kraft hires food experts to develop sauces for a living, and they measure proportions in parts per million. Kraft, by the way, sells about 50 varieties, and they re all inexpensive and good. Don t spend $4 on a bottle of sauce heck, Kraft makes the more expensive "gourmet" Bullseye sauces. They re not any better than the 99-cent stuff.

Most local Southern sauces taste similar to one Kraft variety or another. At one of the more famous barbeque joints in the Southeast, Dreamland (based in Tuscaloosa, Alabama), the sauce tastes exactly like the regular Kraft with a little sugar and heat added. That the good local sauces and Kraft sauces are similar means only that Southerners and food giants are arriving at a good flavor. And some of Kraft s 50 relatively new varieties probably are themselves imitations of, or inspired by, various local twists on the basic theme.

Indeed, just as government interventions lag behind the market s identification of needs and their solutions (e.g., in the early 20th century, the government decided to write child-labor laws after the economy began to generate enough wealth that children weren t any longer being sent to factories by their parents, and after special-interest groups decided they were outraged by a practice that was already going away), big corporations get "new" food-product ideas from foods people already have. The Oreo probably wasn t even an exception. They won t tell, though; I tried to get information out of Kraft, to no avail.

So, "barbeque," whatever the term means, isn t a Southern invention; surely it s as old as the hills. All we did was perfect it. The reasons why would be pure speculation, but they probably begin with our better climate, our love of hunting and fishing, our greater sociability, our slower-paced life, and our tasty pigs; and end with the only possible result of millions of people enjoying a craft that requires them to do all the work every time: Innovations happen randomly, frequently, sometimes serendipitously, but inexorably.

A note about perfection: Theoretically, there s no such thing. Practically, however, every time you barbeque something well and everybody loves it, it s perfect; and as tastes change over time, recipes and techniques will evolve to accommodate them, and it ll still be perfect.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bbq; dixie; dixielist; mustardsaucesucks; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; south
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To: Non-Sequitur
Wheat beer sucks like your barbecue. If it's not an IPA it's not worth the water it takes to brew.


(And I didn't think I could stir this thread up any greater than it already was . . .)

Hehehehehehe. . . again.
201 posted on 05/14/2003 5:39:31 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
And, while other areas or cities may claim to be the "Barbecue Capital of the World," people who enjoy food should understand that the reference would only apply to quantity.
For the best barbecue in the world, go to Eastern North Carolina.

Bears repeating, and LOUDER!

202 posted on 05/14/2003 5:39:42 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Nasty Little Cliqueâ„¢)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I'm counting on some seafood when I get there. My friend swears by some places down there. I went to Washington one time and those are the loudest frogs I have ever heard.

My fraternity in Gboro used to have a huge alum party every year and we recruited a guy from Wilson to do the pig pickin. Them people know something about the hog.

203 posted on 05/14/2003 5:41:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Constitution Day
Thanks.


Hey! When's the next get together? I think the last two were passed . . .
204 posted on 05/14/2003 5:41:16 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: AppyPappy
A true brother in food.
205 posted on 05/14/2003 5:41:51 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Mamzelle
I always thought SC was more mustard base.
206 posted on 05/14/2003 5:43:52 AM PDT by putupon (he who writes on $#!+house walls, will roll their...;-)
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To: Constitution Day
1 gallon of apple cider vinegar
1 cup of sugar
1 oz. of salt
1 oz. black pepper
1 oz. red pepper
mix all in large pot and bring to boil mixing frequently to keep sugar from sticking to the bottom. let boil until the harshness of the vinegar is gone or taste is desired.
Works on chicken and pork bbq. that's the way I know.
207 posted on 05/14/2003 5:44:05 AM PDT by russdawg
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To: okie01
The best ribs ever were at Autry's Barbecue in Oak Cliff, 'cross the river from Dallas, TX. But, alas, Autry's is closed. Forever.

That leaves my place. And it ain't in Memphis. It's on Contrary Creek, in Granbury, TX. And, like you, neither wind, nor rain, nor snow, nor dark of night can stay me from my appointed rounds with the smoker...

Looking for good BBQ in TX? Try Clarks in Tioga (birthplace of Gene Autry). They're in Texas Monthly's top 10.

208 posted on 05/14/2003 5:46:53 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Lee'sGhost
Spoken like a true Carolina barbecue afficionado. Your yellow sauce looks like something my daughter's cat puked up. And for the record, Boulevard does brew an excellent pale ale as well. Very good for getting that horrible taste of Carolina barbecue out of your mouth.
209 posted on 05/14/2003 5:48:10 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: AppyPappy
Thanks, I may git me a bottle an check it out. Looks like it would do right good on some babybacks.
210 posted on 05/14/2003 5:48:17 AM PDT by putupon (he who writes on $#!+house walls, will roll their...;-)
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To: stainlessbanner
This dude is crazy if he thinks Kraft makes anything that compares to Dreamland sauce! Dreamland makes the best ribs in the country!!!!! Their sauce is just the right mix of . . . whatever's in it.

When lazy (which is usual), we mix a little bit of Stubb's with a bit of Sweet Baby Ray's, and that seems to satisfy our brood. But nothing compares to Dreamland! We think they put some black coffee or coffee grinds or some such in it. I've heard Keith Jackson many a Saturday in the Fall mention Dreamland ribs and how mouth-waterin' delicious they are. They sell ribs, bread, and drinks. Mmmmmm-mmmmmmm.
211 posted on 05/14/2003 5:49:04 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: Constitution Day
I doing BBQ for 60 people next Saturday for my cousins college graduation party, and then for 100 for a corporate party I got hired to do the follow weekend!
212 posted on 05/14/2003 5:49:10 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Ha, the yellow puke is just that, but it's not Eastern style vinegar-based.

I'll try your local IPA though. I'm always up for local brew.
213 posted on 05/14/2003 5:49:49 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: putupon
It is actually really good on the yardbird as well. I prefer just vinegar, pepper(red, black and hot) and salt. A little sugar or molasses helps.
214 posted on 05/14/2003 5:55:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I'll try your local IPA though. I'm always up for local brew.

Here's their website with location information. But come on out to KC and do it right. You would probably like Arthur Bryant's.

215 posted on 05/14/2003 5:56:59 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Lee'sGhost
My 2 cents about BBQ wars:

First of all, the definition varies from poster to poster on this thread. For the NC people its pork shoulder or butt that is smoked with hickory and served with either the vinegar and pepper sauce or mustard sauce.

For the Midwest crowd its a combination of Beef/Chicken and Pork, smoked and served with a thick, traditonal BBQ sauce.

For Carolinians and Virginians the debate seems to be over which sauce is best....the smokeyness of the meat is secondary.

Texans have a different attitude....Its all how the meat is smoked and which type of wood is used..Hickory or Mequite. I've used apple, maple and oak before, but Hickory and Mequite appear to be the most aromatic that i've tried. The art of smoking meat, taking hours and hours to do it appears to be a Texas tradition that is faithfully pursed, the sauce is secondary in their culinary realm.

I grew up eating the Texas version until I moved to NC. It took me 10 years before I could accept coleslaw as a topping on my bbq sandwich. I've eaten at every BBQ place in Davidson, Forsyth and Guilford County, as well a couple in Rocky Mount and Wilson. The major differences between all of these NC places is the sauce used. The meat varies in blandness (I prefer a heavy smoked flavor), and lacks the boldness of the Texas smoked meats.

Its all good and I look forward to tasting each and every regional version of BBQ as my time and travels allow.





216 posted on 05/14/2003 6:02:37 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: petitfour
Stubbs is good stuff ("Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm a Cook!"). I also use a local marinade called Pirate's Gold - get compliments all the time.
217 posted on 05/14/2003 6:11:00 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: AppyPappy
(Wilson) appears to be the bbq capital of NC.

I would go along with that, Appy.
Most of mom's family are from Wilson County and they can cook some of the best I have ever tasted.

218 posted on 05/14/2003 6:15:08 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Lee'sGhost; mykdsmom
We are planning a meeting for June, but I would still like to have a FReeper pig pickin...
219 posted on 05/14/2003 6:17:05 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day; AppyPappy; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices
One of these days we should meet for some bbq (Wilson). The best way to eat BBQ is with good friends.

I'm still a little partial to a FR BBQ contest-----it's just tough to taste over the web.

220 posted on 05/14/2003 6:20:44 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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