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Road Map to Hell - Part I & II
Arutz Sheva ^ | 5-2-03 | Elyakim Haetzni

Posted on 05/02/2003 11:53:16 AM PDT by SJackson

Road Map to Hell - Part I


All the following citations are derived directly from the third (and to the best of our knowledge the most recent) Draft of the Road Map, formulated by the four powers known as “the Quartet” (the United Nations, the United States, the European Union and Russia), whose publication had been postponed at Israel’s request pending the January 28 elections and the formation of a new Cabinet.

The following are the main points of this document, whose full name is: A Performance-Based Road Map to a Permanent Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.

Establishment of a Palestinian State

As is evident from the Road Map’s title and text, the key objective is establishment of “an independent and viable Palestinian state with sovereignty” and “a maximum extent of geographical continuity” (the Road Map makes no mention of Sharon’s conditions, e.g. that this state be demilitarized, that it not be granted authority to control borders or airspace or contract international agreements, etc.).

The Palestinian State will be established in two phases:

A. “The option of establishing a Palestinian state with temporary borders” following general elections in 2003. The Road Map states explicitly that “the members of the Quartet Committee will push towards an international recognition of the Palestinian state, including the possibility of membership in the United Nations.”

B. A Palestinian state with permanent boundaries, to be established – after solution of issues concerning borders, Jerusalem, refugees and settlements – in 2005 (disregarding the Israeli Prime Minister’s well-known stipulation that the process extend over at least ten years).

Internationalization of the Conflict

A. Two International Conferences.
B. The Quartet.

The First International Conference will convene in 2003 after the Palestinian elections to “launch a process that leads to the establishment of a Palestinian state with temporary borders.”

The Second International Conference will convene in 2004 “to ratify the agreement reached on the state with temporary borders and to launch a process … that leads to a final solution …” [and a permanent Palestinian state].

All governments of Israel, right-wing and left-wing alike, have avoided international conferences like the plague. The reasons for their decision, so obvious that even a child could understand them, remain unchanged during Sharon’s term of office. In fact, the situation may well have worsened, considering the extensive international support expressed for the Arabs, along with overt hostility towards Israel and even Jews as a whole.

The Quartet is the chief instrument applied to wrest freedom of sovereign behavior from Israel and grant it to the Palestinians. The following are a few of its functions and authorities:

A. Convening International Conferences (although it may “consult” with the parties involved). In other words, International Conferences will be forced on Israel against its will;

B. Deciding based on “the collective ruling of the Quartet Committee whether the conditions are appropriate for progress taking into consideration the performance of all parties.” This means that transition to the Palestinian state phase will be determined by foreign elements, contravening Sharon’s stipulation that any such activity be dependent on Israeli assessment of elimination of terror, confiscation of weapons, cessation of incitement and the like. In brief, we have been denied the right to conflict management;

C. Establishing a means of monitoring implementation of the Road Map by Israel and the Palestinians. We recall that Sharon avoided any substantive military activity for a year and a half just to keep international observers out of the area. Now, he has consented to institutionalized international supervision that will essentially undermine our sovereignty in managing the conflict from the outset, even before a Palestinian state is established;

D. The Quartet will ensure that both sides “perform their commitments in a parallel manner.” This proviso contravenes Sharon’s insistence that any measure taken by Israel must be preceded by the Palestinian side’s having carried out its commitments to the fullest. For example, the Palestinian undertaking to eliminate terror will be rendered parallel to Israel’s commitments regarding settlements (see below). The very apposition of these two issues is outrageous. Moreover, it is obvious that the Palestinians will perceive themselves as exempt from the obligation to halt terror simply because construction is taking place or some prefabricated structure or other has been set up on the Israeli side, including eastern Jerusalem. Adjudication of such disputes will be vested in the Quartet, which will hear these claims of Israeli violations. The Quartet’s involvement thus largely vitiates Israeli sovereignty; and

E. The Quartet plays a decisive role in other respects as well:

* Intervening “whenever the need arises” in direct negotiations between the parties, thereby nullifying another principle that Israel held sacred for decades: Direct negotiations;

* Determining “a realistic timetable” for progress;

* Offering “effective and practical support” at each stage of transition towards Palestinian rule; i.e., intervention in all spheres of activity – finances, administration, security and the like. Such intervention is already taking place;

* Intervening in the achievement of a “final solution,” including all that concerns Jerusalem, refugees and settlements; and

· International efforts to facilitate reform and stability of the Palestinian institutions and the Palestinian economy”; i.e., intervention in all spheres of activity.

Road Map to Hell - Part II


A. The Road Map insists that “the Israeli government dismantles immediately all settlement enclaves that were erected since March 2001,” or, “the Israeli government dismantles all settlement outposts that were erected since March 2001.” According to both these versions, dismantling of outposts and the settlement freeze described below are not contingent on prior cessation of terror, but are to be carried out, as indicated, “in parallel,” with no differentiation between “legal” and “illegal” outposts;

B. “The Israeli government freezes all settlement activities… (including the natural growth of settlements),” or, “the Israeli government freezes all settlement activities… along with giving priority to the projects that threaten the continuity of Palestinian residential regions, including the regions around Jerusalem…” All to be carried out in 2003;

C. Demanding “a maximum extent of geographical [or: territorial] continuity, including additional steps on the issue of settlements” for establishment of a state with temporary borders (the intention is transparent: Uprooting of settlements that interfere with “geographical continuity,” namely the Judean Hills settlements). This too is to be carried out before establishment of the provisional state; i.e., by the end of 2003; and

D. Discussion of the fate of the remaining settlements will take place before establishment of a Palestinian state with permanent borders; i.e., by the end of 2005.


A. “The Israeli government will reopen the Palestinian Chamber of Commerce and other Palestinian closed institutions in East Jerusalem,” meaning that Orient House, among other institutions, will be functioning once again; and

B. Discussions regarding the permanent situation aim at providing “a realistic… and just solution to the issue of refugees and negotiable decision on the status of Jerusalem that takes into consideration the political and religious concerns of both parties.” This accords the Arabs in Jerusalem political status equivalent to that of Israel, thereby mandating a priori division of the city. The expression “just solution” regarding the refugees does not augur well either.


“The implementation of the U.S. plan starts for reconstruction, training and resumption of the plan of security coordination in cooperation with an external supervision council that includes the U.S., Egypt, Jordan [The EU demands adding the phrase: ‘with support from the Quartet Committee or with support from the EU].” It is especially ominous to note Sharon’s consent to involvement of Egyptian and Jordanian military elements.

Other Elements

A. The Saudi Initiative: “The plan takes into special consideration the Saudi Initiative which was ratified by the Arab Summit in Beirut.” This initiative explicitly calls for full withdrawal to the 1967 borders (including Jerusalem) and the return of refugees according to UN Resolution 194, a point stipulated unequivocally at the Beirut Summit. Sharon’s attempts to have it deleted were unsuccessful.

B. “Terminating the Occupation”: This terminology demonstrates that mention of the Saudi Initiative is not a mere literary device, as corroborated towards the end of the Road Map: “…the parties reach an agreement on the permanent and comprehensive status that end the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in 2005 through an agreed upon settlement reached through negotiations between the parties and based on the UN Security Council Resolutions… that end occupation which started in 1967.”

C. The Golan Heights: “[T]o achieve a comprehensive peace on all tracks, including the Syrian?Israeli and the Lebanese-Israeli tracks…. a second international conference… [that will] support the progress towards a comprehensive settlement in the Middle East between Israel and Lebanon and between Israel and Syria as soon as possible.”

D. Deliberate Malfeasance: “The Israeli government will not undertake any acts that undermine the confidence, including deportation, and attacks against civilians… confiscation or demolition of homes and Palestinian properties as punitive measure or facilitating Israeli construction and demolishing civil institutions and the Palestinian infrastructure. All Israeli official institutions end instigation (or: incitement) against Palestinians.”

To achieve balance, Israel, too, is accused of incitement: Israeli construction is considered to “undermine confidence.” This is no mere theoretical matter, as indicated in the Bedein Report (published in the Hebrew weekly Besheva): “When I asked a U.S. Embassy spokesperson whether renovation of the Hurva Synagogue in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City would be considered illegal construction, the response I received in the name of United States Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer was that indeed, any construction in the Old City of Jerusalem would be deemed ‘illegal’ according to U.S. foreign policy.”

Concluding Remarks

The Hebrew daily Yedioth Ahronoth carried the following item on January 21, 2003:

“Powell Responds to Sharon

“‘We helped set up the Quartet and support it completely,’ said U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell yesterday in response to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s derisive reaction.

“Speaking in New York, Powell said that ‘once elections have been held in Israel, we will cooperate with the Quartet in its efforts to achieve an agreement in the Middle East. We are committed to the Quartet and the Road Map, on which we’ve been working very hard.’

“Powell also ‘reminded’ Sharon of President George W. Bush’s vision: ‘His goal is to establish a Palestinian state in the region.’”

The Bush Plan, which is now tightening like a noose around Sharon’s neck, was put forward as a cooperative effort by both heads of state. Since Israel was established, it has always been a dependent of the United States – and not always well fed at that. From now on, we’ve been abandoned to the vagaries of the United Nations, the Europeans and Russia, all with the active participation of the Sharon Government and its Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, who stated in an interview with Dan Margalit on Israel Television’s Channel One (October 15, 2002): “The Government announced that it accepts Bush’s vision of two states for two peoples,” adding that “a third party has now joined – the Quartet.” Sharon, interviewed by Margalit the next day, indicated that “acceptance of the Bush Plan is a strategic decision. The plan is essentially a joint Israeli-American plan.”

Foreign Minister Peres presented the President of Mauritania with “the Quartet’s plan, including… establishment of a Palestinian state with temporary borders… The Quartet is now working on drawing up a detailed Road Map, an idea that Israel accepts in principle…” (Yedioth Ahronoth, October 9, 2002).

Strange as it may sound, the Road Map that everyone is so worried about is essentially based on ideas that Prime Minister Sharon himself had raised in Washington previously, ideas that also helped shape Bush’s speech regarding a solution in the Middle East. For example, the three-phase plan stipulated in the new Road Map, is originally Arik Sharon’s. The Road Map, now a concrete document in the Pentagon’s possession, also obligates Israel to take certain steps… (Alex Fishman, Yedioth Ahronoth, October 18, 2002)

“Teams of Egyptian and Jordanian intelligence experts will soon arrive in Jericho to train the new Palestinian security system teams. Training of workers will be part of the planned reforms in Palestinian security….” (Yedioth Ahronoth, August 21, 2002).

Epilogue In brief, we may state without exaggeration that we are facing a Road Map to Hell, a document whose consequences are no less severe than those of the British White Paper of 1939. The Oslo Agreements were child’s play compared to this Road Map.

Methodological criticism of the Oslo Accords pointed to a basic flaw: Israel’s haste to establish the Palestinian Authority and accord the Palestinians authority, territory, weapons and funds, while leaving the chief points of disagreement – borders, refugees, Jerusalem, settlements and sovereignty – to be resolved later. This enabled the Palestinians to exploit their achievements in an attempt to force their own preferred solution to the deferred issues to be resolved.

Sharon apparently failed to learn a lesson from the Oslo Accords, having repeated the tactical error under far more serious circumstances: This time, he is paying the Palestinians an advance in the form of a sovereign state. From that point on, they can fight to achieve their perceived objectives as a bona fide state, a member of the United Nations, equipped with all tools, authority and individual support entailed thereby.

After two and a half years of the present Intifada, Yasser Arafat can credit himself with having achieved all his war objectives: A Palestinian state within immediate reach, international involvement and supervision, introduction of the United Nations and Europe into the area, military involvement by Jordan and Egypt, elimination of Jewish settlements and release of Israel’s effective hold on most parts of Judea, Samaria and Gaza. It is chilling indeed to realize that we have paid for his achievements with over a thousand Jews murdered and many thousands more wounded in terror attacks since the Oslo Accords were drafted.

Elyakim Haetzni is a lawyer and former Knesset member who resides in Kiryat Arba.

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1 posted on 05/02/2003 11:53:16 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 05/02/2003 11:53:35 AM PDT by SJackson
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I wonder when David Frum will write a piece where he excommunicates all the critics of the "road map"?
3 posted on 05/02/2003 11:55:49 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: SJackson
On, please.

Great info.

4 posted on 05/02/2003 11:56:43 AM PDT by freedomson (Baruch haba b'shem Adonai!)
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To: SJackson
If this Road Map is a road to hell - - and I'm not taking a position on it -- what IS the answer to the Israeli/Palestinian thing? I hear a lot of carping against Bush for pushing this plan (and it's interesting how he suddenly becomes a villain for folks who were praising him when he was beating Iraq) --- but I NEVER HEAR A SUGGESTED SOLUTION TO THE MIDEAST PROBLEM. If you don't like Bush's roadmap, what's yours?
5 posted on 05/02/2003 11:59:46 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I beleive that this is indeed the roadmap to hell.

THe Palestinians have a country, it is called Jordon.

I think that the Israelis should take a small chunk for themselves, send the Palestinians to the other part, and give it to Jordan.

THen let Jordan deal with them.

Then Israel will have a little bit more land then they do now, the Palestinians will be part of their TRUE homeland and we can be done with this crap.

The Palestinians are terrorist sympathizers and of coure terrorists themselves.

Giving them their own country is rewarding terrorism, which is unacceptable to me.
6 posted on 05/02/2003 12:10:31 PM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: SJackson
Is it not better to embark on a journey with a map of uncertain accuracy, than to never make that journey at all for fear of getting lost along the way?
7 posted on 05/02/2003 12:17:21 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies, he murders part of the world.)
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To: Aric2000
THen let Jordan deal with them.

Get specific. What's your plan? Is it to forcibly remove these people and transfer them into Jordan? If so, would you have them paid for the property of which they're dispossessed, a la eminent domain? Is it basically removing people -- ie the way we did the American Indians in the 19th Century? IF that's your plan, say it directly without circumlocution ("let Jordan deal with them" -- that's a vague statement). Again, please be specific: You want them forcibly removed from their property? If this is your proposal, be honest enough to say it clearly.

8 posted on 05/02/2003 12:22:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: SJackson
"A Performance-Based Road Map to a Permanent Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict"

Hahaha, joke, right? Sounds like lingo from government bureaucrats with nothing better to do. This road map is a farce, and the Israeli people, if implemented, will be left holding the bag looking stupid while Israel's enemies (the UN and EU) pat each other's back on a job well done, since they couldn't go through the back door they got the job done through the front door legally. Can't believe W is falling for this islamic trick or treat bag of nothing. This is the tradeoff for the islamic countries not interferring while the coalition forces took out Hussein. Mr. Bush: I'm definitely disappointed.
9 posted on 05/02/2003 12:29:20 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: churchillbuff
What ever the solution is, this will not be it. The Palestinians still have the absolute destruction of Israel in their charter. They have also trained up an entire generation of people, beginning in early childhood, to hate Jews. There is no way that they can simply turn them off.
10 posted on 05/02/2003 12:30:45 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: churchillbuff
It's not clear to me this is GWB's plan, in fact the methodology of implementation is in clear opposition to GWB's June, 2001 speech and many of his public statements, including yesterdays:

"Any outlaw regime that has ties to terrorist groups, and seeks or possesses weapons of mass destruction, is a grave danger to the civilized world, and will be confronted," he said, outlining the principles of the US war on terror.

"Any person, organization, or government that supports, protects or harbours terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent, and equally guilty of terrorist crimes."

Since Sharon and GWB seem to agree on the establishment of a state. What's missing is acceptance of Israel by the Arab world, which includes an abandonment of the right of return, without which peace is impossible. That’s the untouchable third rail.

Without recognition, we're essentially talking about an agreement between warring parties, actions verified by a trusted party are essential, not just words. That’s what Sharon has asked for, and that’s what GWB has asked for. I suspect over the next few months we'll see a disagreement or two between the State Dept and the White House and either compliance will be demanded of the PA, or we'll simply mosey on down the road to the next war.

BTW, over time not only will a terrorist state in the territories, and that's what the road map is heading toward, not contribute to regional stability, but will vindicate Sadaam and earn him a place as a revered martyr of the palestinian cause.

11 posted on 05/02/2003 12:30:49 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: churchillbuff
Below is a comment I made in response to an earlier Arutz Sheva article which stated:

"Tourism Minister Benny Elon has proposed a new outline for peace in the Middle East, entitled: 'In the Wake of the War in Iraq - A Historic Opportunity for a Regional Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.'

"Elon, successor to the assassinated Rehavam Ze'evi as head of the Moledet Party in the National Union, conceived the plan as an alternative to the Road Map currently under consideration. He says that the Road Map is merely a "rehashing of the decades-old goal of trying to seat two peoples on the western side of the Jordan River" - an objective he calls "unworkable" and "dangerous." Giving the Arabs of Yesha a quasi-state will not solve the fundamental problems of borders and refugees, Elon says, but will instead guarantee the next round of terrorism and warfare.

"Elon's plan offers what he calls 'the genuine and original two-state solution,' proposing that it encompass the full extent of Mandatory Palestine on both sides of the Jordan River. ..."


I believe a plan such as this is the only kind that will work

This family feud has been going on for millenia... (see Genesis chapters 12 through 21 regarding Ishmael and Isaac).

Both parties have historically valid claims in their connection to Abraham. Both have rightful claims to long residency in the land. Both were guaranteed a national homeland by recent occupying powers ( British Balfour Declaration of 1917). Both claim the same holy religious site (al Aqsa Mosque sits on the location of Israel's Holy Temple site - above the "wailing wall").

The problem is and always has been the desperate nature of the struggle each side perceives.

From the Crusades, to the pogroms of Eastern Europe to Hitler's final solution, the Jewish people have been in a struggle to preserve the existence of their race/people. The pan-Arab peoples of the region, through agencies such as the PLO and similar organizations have vowed "to drive the Jews into the sea." Despite later repudiation the obvious passion of that oath continues.

Israel's former Prime Minister Golda Meir revealed the power of their determination, "We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs - we have no place to go."

Regarding Palestinian claims, since the conquest of the Muslim Caliph Omar in 638 a.d. Arab groups have lived on the land. This has been their home. A familiar sense of the Palestinian claim might be found in our American Indians. However, for the Palestinians it wasn't 350 years ago that their land was invaded (as when people began displacing American Indians) was only 60 years ago!

The UN attempt to bring about a solution in 1947 was, as with most things stamped "UN," unrealistic, ineffective, and without moral capital. However fair the division may appear on a map (UN's patchwork division of Israel), the animosity of blood feud has proven too powerful. Mix oxygen and fire and it consumes everything in proximity.

This is why I believe Elon's plan is the only, even remotely, managable solution. Put the brothers on either side of the Jordan river...if you cross it, you are a legitimate target. Now, let's talk peace.

(Not mentioned is the sticky solution to Jerusalem. I suggest a massive engineering challenge: relocate the al Aqsa Mosque since it is both more recent and right where the Jews would likely rebuild their temple. Move the Mosque, Dome of the Rock and all, surrounding dirt and all, and rebuild it on the other side of the river.)

12 posted on 05/02/2003 12:32:35 PM PDT by kritikos (Truly true truth)
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Is it not better to embark on a journey with a map of uncertain accuracy, than to never make that journey at all for fear of getting lost along the way?

No, particularly if you're traveling in reverse. see 11. Since for better or worse Sharon and GWB aren’t far apart, it’s much better to demand compliance from the PA. If the US objective is a more stable middle east it makes no more sense to let the UN, the EU, Russia and Britian dictate the solution here than it would have in Iraq.

13 posted on 05/02/2003 12:35:59 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: churchillbuff
This is what I propose, tell the Palestinians this.

This is going to be Israel, this part is going to be Jordan, where do you want to live?

If you want to go to Jordan, here's money for your property, have a nice life.

If you are going to stay here, then you are going to become an Israeli, and will take an oath to that effect. If you attack us in any way shape or form through terrorist acts, you will be removed or destroyed. The choice is yours.
14 posted on 05/02/2003 1:02:31 PM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: SJackson
"No, particularly if you're traveling in reverse. see 11. Since for better or worse Sharon and GWB aren’t far apart, it’s much better to demand compliance from the PA. If the US objective is a more stable middle east it makes no more sense to let the UN, the EU, Russia and Britian dictate the solution here than it would have in Iraq."

Sounds like a good map. Lets roll!
15 posted on 05/02/2003 1:06:41 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies, he murders part of the world.)
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To: churchillbuff
Here's my plan. No one will buy it and it'll never happen, but here goes:
72 hours to for a settlers to evacuate. If you stay, you are on your own. Withdraw all military to 1967 borders, and declare a "palestinian state" under full control of the PA. Do all of this very publically, and state that any further violence is without basis. When the inevitable homicide bombings resume or Hiz'b'allah starts shelling from Lebanon, declare war on the "palestinian state" and force an unconditional surrender, dismantling the PA, Hamas and others in the process. If Syria wants a piece, they can have one too. Bring in 500,000 international peacekeepers to administer the territories and "de-nazify" the area.

Like I said. It'll never happen.
16 posted on 05/02/2003 1:09:58 PM PDT by Desecrated (A nickel of every tax dollar should go toward the defense of America)
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To: churchillbuff
In the case of the “road map”, the real pressure will come from the US, though it’s not clear to me that GWB is going to apply it in the absence of pa compliance, the palestinians may be in for a surprise. Israel would never trust Europe to monitor an agreement or enforce terms. That said, Israel is a resource poor country which depends on trade, and Europe does have a lot of potential leverage in that regard, but I suspect the US would prevent them from using it.

Re your comment toAric2000, transfer is the misunderstood boogeyman of the process. Most proposals I’ve seen which have envisaged a rump state or autonomous zone ruled by Jordan (or Israel) would grand Jordanian citizenship (or palestinian, if a state) to the residents of ceded and unceded portions of the territories, accompanied by the right (if peaceful, otherwise deportation or jail) to live and work in the new “state”. Could they move, sure, and their might be both financial and social incentives to do so, but that doesn’t involved forced transfers.

Speaking of transfers and financial costs, it’s probably worth touching on two points.

First, there will be transfers, even under the road map. As we speak over sixty percent of the Arab refugees live in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. They will NEVER be allowed to settle in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. They WILL be transferred, if the Arab’s have their way (they won’t) to Israel proper, more likely to whatever entity emerges. I believe at Camp David the cost was estimated at $30-$35 billion (guess who pays?).

In addition, in what I view as an act out of character with American values, any palestinian state created will also require the forcible deportation of all Jews, since Jews will not be offered citizenship nor allowed to live in a “road map” created state. So transfer of millions of Arabs and Jews will be happening, even under the “road map”, just a matter of who goes where.

IMO, given what will be a substantial resettlement bill to the US under any circumstances, I think a good starting point might be giving financial incentives along with a gentle nudge to Jordan, Syria, and the Syrian province of Lebanon to absorb the refugees. They’ve been there nearly 60 years now. Maybe even some incentive to free Lebanon.

17 posted on 05/02/2003 1:19:22 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: churchillbuff
What's your plan? Is it to forcibly remove these people and transfer them into Jordan? If so, would you have them paid for the property of which they're dispossessed, a la eminent domain? Is it basically removing people

But removing approx. 375,000 Jews from "settlements" is fine and dandy by you?

18 posted on 05/02/2003 1:35:28 PM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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But removing approx. 375,000 Jews from "settlements" is fine and dandy by you?

If you're stressing numbers - that's 375,000 versus several million Palestinians
19 posted on 05/02/2003 1:54:25 PM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: Egregious Philbin
"If you're stressing numbers - that's 375,000 versus several million Palestinians"

She was stressing principles, and not numbers. You remember principles? I'm sure your mother gave you a long-forgotten lecture about those more years ago than you care to remember.
20 posted on 05/02/2003 2:03:41 PM PDT by Chipata
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