[churchillbuff]

THen let Jordan deal with them.

Get specific. What's your plan? Is it to forcibly remove these people and transfer them into Jordan? If so, would you have them paid for the property of which they're dispossessed, a la eminent domain? Is it basically removing people -- ie the way we did the American Indians in the 19th Century? IF that's your plan, say it directly without circumlocution ("let Jordan deal with them" -- that's a vague statement). Again, please be specific: You want them forcibly removed from their property? If this is your proposal, be honest enough to say it clearly.

[Aric2000]

This is what I propose, tell the Palestinians this.

This is going to be Israel, this part is going to be Jordan, where do you want to live?

If you want to go to Jordan, here's money for your property, have a nice life.

If you are going to stay here, then you are going to become an Israeli, and will take an oath to that effect. If you attack us in any way shape or form through terrorist acts, you will be removed or destroyed. The choice is yours.

[Desecrated]

Here's my plan. No one will buy it and it'll never happen, but here goes:
72 hours to for a settlers to evacuate. If you stay, you are on your own. Withdraw all military to 1967 borders, and declare a "palestinian state" under full control of the PA. Do all of this very publically, and state that any further violence is without basis. When the inevitable homicide bombings resume or Hiz'b'allah starts shelling from Lebanon, declare war on the "palestinian state" and force an unconditional surrender, dismantling the PA, Hamas and others in the process. If Syria wants a piece, they can have one too. Bring in 500,000 international peacekeepers to administer the territories and "de-nazify" the area.

Like I said. It'll never happen.

[SJackson]

In the case of the “road map”, the real pressure will come from the US, though it’s not clear to me that GWB is going to apply it in the absence of pa compliance, the palestinians may be in for a surprise. Israel would never trust Europe to monitor an agreement or enforce terms. That said, Israel is a resource poor country which depends on trade, and Europe does have a lot of potential leverage in that regard, but I suspect the US would prevent them from using it.

Re your comment toAric2000, transfer is the misunderstood boogeyman of the process. Most proposals I’ve seen which have envisaged a rump state or autonomous zone ruled by Jordan (or Israel) would grand Jordanian citizenship (or palestinian, if a state) to the residents of ceded and unceded portions of the territories, accompanied by the right (if peaceful, otherwise deportation or jail) to live and work in the new “state”. Could they move, sure, and their might be both financial and social incentives to do so, but that doesn’t involved forced transfers.

Speaking of transfers and financial costs, it’s probably worth touching on two points.

First, there will be transfers, even under the road map. As we speak over sixty percent of the Arab refugees live in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. They will NEVER be allowed to settle in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. They WILL be transferred, if the Arab’s have their way (they won’t) to Israel proper, more likely to whatever entity emerges. I believe at Camp David the cost was estimated at $30-$35 billion (guess who pays?).

In addition, in what I view as an act out of character with American values, any palestinian state created will also require the forcible deportation of all Jews, since Jews will not be offered citizenship nor allowed to live in a “road map” created state. So transfer of millions of Arabs and Jews will be happening, even under the “road map”, just a matter of who goes where.

IMO, given what will be a substantial resettlement bill to the US under any circumstances, I think a good starting point might be giving financial incentives along with a gentle nudge to Jordan, Syria, and the Syrian province of Lebanon to absorb the refugees. They’ve been there nearly 60 years now. Maybe even some incentive to free Lebanon.

[Alouette]

What's your plan? Is it to forcibly remove these people and transfer them into Jordan? If so, would you have them paid for the property of which they're dispossessed, a la eminent domain? Is it basically removing people

But removing approx. 375,000 Jews from "settlements" is fine and dandy by you?