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Still knee-deep in homophobia
The Arizona Republic ^ | Apr. 29, 2003 | O. Ricardo Pimentel

Posted on 04/29/2003 12:37:19 PM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Let me translate into "bigotspeak" what Sen. Rick Santorum meant when he compared gays to bigamists, polygamists and practitioners of incest and adultery.

Translated: Hey, I place you in the same category as all those scummy people I just mentioned. Oh, and if you act on who you are, you're also a criminal.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; dontbendover; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; mediabias; pimental; pimentel; santorum; sodomites
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To: journey7873
Gays claim that homosexuality is a a genetic trait. It is not a conscious choice. Well if that is so, the same must be true of homophobia. I didn't choose to dislike homosexuality any more than I chose to dislikeblack olives or tomatoes it just happened.

Therefore, homophobia should be afforded the same tolerance as is demanded by the gay community.

Makes sense to me. The persecution of homophobes is an outrage
161 posted on 04/29/2003 2:49:19 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: presidio9
Moreover, their actions are so vile....excuse me, but, I wonder what this guy would call it, if not vile?

....OH! That's right, he calls it love??????????? YUCK!

162 posted on 04/29/2003 2:52:57 PM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: Emmylou
I asked you before, that if the men in the lawsuit wanted to be "private", why then did they call the police to their home, and keep their door ajar?

That is the point. They wanted it to be a peep show. Stop ignoring this point.

And I guess the people of TEXAS want to decide what they want to be illegal and what they do not want to be illegal....they do not want the federal government to tell them what type of society they want to have! They have that right, in this government.

I say if you don't like the sodomy laws, and no one else agrees with you, it is time to move on! Go to California. But, don't come to Montana, cuz we have them too.
163 posted on 04/29/2003 2:54:30 PM PDT by tuckrdout
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To: Emmylou
Thanks for the reference--I'll have to read through the ruling later.

Might you have a link on the case you mentioned in post #26?
164 posted on 04/29/2003 2:57:58 PM PDT by k2blader (Reason is our soul's left hand, Faith her right. - John Donne)
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To: presidio9
I'd rather be knee deep in "homophobia" than a** deep in homophilia...
165 posted on 04/29/2003 3:00:40 PM PDT by conservonator (But I'm sure someone else has point this out already.)
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To: presidio9
The bible always reports adultery as immoral.

The bible hedges its bets on incest. It doesn't necessarily use our definition. Abraham was married to his half-sister. Lot's impregnating his daughters, however, is clearly frowned on.

The bible has a mixed message about polygamy/bigamy. Polygamy is not the ideal intended by God, but it was practiced without great censure. Jesus clearly affirmed one man and one woman. Church leaders were required to be monogamous.

Homosexuality is never reported as moral, and is even called an abomination. Participants were to be killed in the old testament. The New Testament assigns them to hell (except for those who accept salvation and end their sin.)

Bestiality is never reported as moral, and is even called an abomination. Participants were to be killed in the OT, and I don't recall it being mentioned in the New Testament .

166 posted on 04/29/2003 3:09:36 PM PDT by RockBassCreek
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To: ArGee
Santorum said that if consensual sex is acceptable because it is a privacy issue, then bigamy, polygamy, adultery, and incest are also acceptable when consensual and performed in private. The implication was that this was a reason to keep hay sex illegal because all 5 sex acts are immoral.

If you live with seven women and call them all your wives, is that illegal if you never seek to marry any or more than one of the women? It isn't what is done in the privacy of their home but what they might seek in the eyes of the law that make bigamy and polygamy illegal. At what point is adultery an actionable offense in this country? Isn't it when the wronged spouse, in an open court, seeks legal remedy? Privacy isn't a defense if ones reasonable expectation of fidelity has been violated. What are the laws in this country regarding incest if not to protect endangered children, or would be children from the biogenetic results of the marriage of family members? Again, I don't see where privacy laws would afford any protection to an adult endangering a child or two cousins seeking a marriage license.

So I ask you, who is the victim of two adults engaging in homosexual conduct? If that victim is the fabric of our culture, morality, or some such other ambiguous notion, then why should pornography, teenage pregnancy, sexually charged advertising, etc. not be targeted? If the victim is the taxpayer or insurance purchaser who has increased costs (as suggested here) then why not target the overweight, the sedentary, smokers, etc. whose lifestyles lead to more illness?

167 posted on 04/29/2003 3:13:56 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Emmylou
Somewhere in the sixties there was a song about a Cat named Dog; somehow this thread has me humming that tune.
169 posted on 04/29/2003 6:02:02 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: reverentreverend
The legal argument Santorum made for banning homosexuality was a stupid one.

Apparently, this shoe fits you because Santorum made no such argument.

170 posted on 04/29/2003 6:06:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Polycarp
Because most Americans are still repulsed by homosexuality.

It is counterproductive to use this as an argument; the real argument is homosexual behavior is a biological perversion for it cannot lead to succession of the species.

Social acceptance is never a good means of testing good itself, for in a crowd one might find himself a looter one night and a drunken debaucher the next.

171 posted on 04/29/2003 6:07:07 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: presidio9
Your right, they've just about done it now. Our country is turning into a moral cesspool.
172 posted on 04/29/2003 6:11:56 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: presidio9
SELLING HOMOSEXUALITY
173 posted on 04/29/2003 6:15:15 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (...........Please hold............)
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To: presidio9
Homophobia defined: "Men smearing each other with excrement, and anyone who says that is wrong is labeled with 'homophobia.'"
174 posted on 04/29/2003 6:18:48 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: presidio9
OK, I have no problem with bigots as senators. I just object when they spew bigotry.

I don't agree that Santorum is a homophobic bigot...but I do think he made a big mistake by making it sound like it might be OK with him if homosexuals and adulters were arrested and thrown in jail.

175 posted on 04/29/2003 6:33:37 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: presidio9
Religions evolve, however.

Liberal and False Religions evolve. God Stays the same.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination." (KJV) Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them."(KJV) Leviticus 20:13

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)

"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel." (KJV) Deuteronomy 23:17

176 posted on 04/29/2003 6:34:26 PM PDT by FF578 (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and His justice cannot sleep forever)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
...as are citations for sodomy.
177 posted on 04/29/2003 6:34:30 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Cultural Jihad
Homophobia defined: "Men smearing each other with excrement, and anyone who says that is wrong is labeled with 'homophobia.'"

Excrement would be a more accurate description of the above post.

178 posted on 04/29/2003 6:36:37 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: 45Auto
Criminal sodomy laws in effect in 1791:

Connecticut: 1 Public Statute Laws of the State of Connecticut, 1808, Title LXVI, ch. 1, 2 (rev. 1672). Delaware: 1 Laws of the State of Delaware, 1797, ch. 22, 5 (passed 1719). Georgia had no criminal sodomy statute until 1816, but sodomy was a crime at common law, and the General Assembly adopted the common law of England as the law of Georgia in 1784. The First Laws of the State of Georgia, pt. 1, p. 290 (1981). Maryland had no criminal sodomy statute in 1791. Maryland's Declaration of Rights, passed in 1776, however, stated that "the inhabitants of Maryland are entitled to the common law of England," and sodomy was a crime at common law. 4 W. Swindler, Sources and Documents of United States Constitutions 372 (1975). Massachusetts: Acts and Laws passed by the General Court of Massachusetts, ch. 14, Act of Mar. 3, 1785. New Hampshire passed its first sodomy statute in 1718. Acts and Laws of New Hampshire 1680-1726, p. 141 (1978). Sodomy was a crime at common law in New Jersey at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. The State enacted its first criminal sodomy law five years later. Acts of the Twentieth General Assembly, Mar. 18, 1796, ch. DC, 7. New York: Laws of New York, ch. 21 (passed 1787). [478 U.S. 186, 193] At the time of ratification of the Bill of Rights, North Carolina had adopted the English statute of Henry VIII outlawing sodomy. See Collection of the Statutes of the Parliament of England in Force in the State of North-Carolina, ch. 17, p. 314 (Martin ed. 1792). Pennsylvania: Laws of the Fourteenth General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, ch. CLIV, 2 (passed 1790). Rhode Island passed its first sodomy law in 1662. The Earliest Acts and Laws of the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations 1647-1719, p. 142 (1977). South Carolina: Public Laws of the State of South Carolina, p. 49 (1790). At the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights, Virginia had no specific statute outlawing sodomy, but had adopted the English common law. 9 Hening's Laws of Virginia, ch. 5, 6, p. 127 (1821) (passed 1776).

Criminal sodomy statutes in effect in 1868:

Alabama: Ala. Rev. Code 3604 (1867). Arizona (Terr.): Howell Code, ch. 10, 48 (1865). Arkansas: Ark. Stat., ch. 51, Art. IV, 5 (1858). California: 1 Cal. Gen. Laws,  1450, 48 (1865). Colorado (Terr.): Colo. Rev. Stat., ch. 22, 45, 46 (1868). Connecticut: Conn. Gen. Stat., Tit. 122, ch. 7, 124 (1866). Delaware: Del. Rev. Stat., ch. 131, 7 (1893). Florida: Fla. Rev. Stat., div. 5, 2614 (passed 1868) (1892). Georgia: Ga. Code 4286, 4287, 4290 (1867). Kingdom of Hawaii: Haw. Penal Code, ch. 13, 11 (1869). Illinois: Ill. Rev. Stat., div. 5, 49, 50 (1845). Kansas (Terr.): Kan. Stat., ch. 53, 7 (1855). Kentucky: 1 Ky. Rev. Stat., ch. 28, Art. IV, 11 (1860). Louisiana: La. Rev. Stat., Crimes and Offences, 5 (1856). Maine: Me. Rev. Stat., Tit. XII, ch. 160, 4 (1840). Maryland: 1 Md. Code, Art. 30, 201 (1860). Massachusetts: Mass. Gen. Stat., ch. 165, 18 (1860). Michigan: Mich. Rev. Stat., Tit. 30, ch. 158, 16 (1846). Minnesota: Minn. Stat., ch. 96, 13 (1859). Mississippi: Miss. Rev. Code, ch. 64, LII, Art. 238 (1857). Missouri: 1 Mo. Rev. Stat., ch. 50, Art. VIII, 7 (1856). Montana (Terr.): Mont. Acts, Resolutions, Memorials, Criminal Practice Acts, ch. IV, 44 (1866). Nebraska (Terr.): Neb. Rev. Stat., Crim. Code, ch. 4, 47 (1866). [478 U.S. 186, 194] Nevada (Terr.): Nev. Comp. Laws, 1861-1900, Crimes and Punishments, 45. New Hampshire: N. H. Laws, Act. of June 19, 1812, 5 (1815). New Jersey: N. J. Rev. Stat., Tit. 8, ch. 1, 9 (1847). New York: 3 N. Y. Rev. Stat., pt. 4, ch. 1, Tit. 5, 20 (5th ed. 1859). North Carolina: N.C. Rev. Code, ch. 34, 6 (1855). Oregon: Laws of Ore., Crimes - Against Morality, etc., ch. 7, 655 (1874). Pennsylvania: Act of Mar. 31, 1860, 32, Pub. L. 392, in 1 Digest of Statute Law of Pa. 1700-1903, p. 1011 (Purdon 1905). Rhode Island: R. I. Gen. Stat., ch. 232, 12 (1872). South Carolina: Act of 1712, in 2 Stat. at Large of S. C. 1682-1716, p. 493 (1837). Tennessee: Tenn. Code, ch. 8, Art. 1, 4843 (1858). Texas: Tex. Rev. Stat., Tit. 10, ch. 5, Art. 342 (1887) (passed 1860). Vermont: Acts and Laws of the State of Vt. (1779). Virginia: Va. Code, ch. 149, 12 (1868). West Virginia: W. Va. Code, ch. 149, 12 (1868). Wisconsin (Terr.): Wis. Stat. 14, p. 367 (1839).

Below are some of the early Statutes Banning Sodomy:

That the detestable and abominable vice of buggery [sodomy] . . . shall be from henceforth adjudged felony . . . and that every person being thereof convicted by verdict, confession, or outlawry [unlawful flight to avoid prosecution], shall be hanged by the neck until he or she shall be dead. NEW YORK

That if any man shall lie with mankind as he lieth with womankind, both of them have committed abomination; they both shall be put to death. CONNECTICUT

Sodomy . . . shall be punished by imprisonment at hard labour in the penitentiary during the natural life or lives of the person or persons convicted of th[is] detestable crime. GEORGIA

That if any man shall commit the crime against nature with a man or male child . . . every such offender, being duly convicted thereof in the Supreme Judicial Court, shall be punished by solitary imprisonment for such term not exceeding one year and by confinement afterwards to hard labor for such term not exceeding ten years. MAINE

That if any person or persons shall commit sodomy . . . he or they so offending or committing any of the said crimes within this province, their counsellors, aiders, comforters, and abettors, being convicted thereof as above said, shall suffer as felons. [And] shall forfeit to the Commonwealth all and singular the lands and tenements, goods and chattels, whereof he or she was seized or possessed at the time . . . at the discretion of the court passing the sentence, not exceeding ten years, in the public gaol or house of correction of the county or city in which the offence shall have been committed and be kept at such labor. PENNSYLVANIA

[T]he detestable and abominable vice of buggery [sodomy] . . . be from henceforth adjudged felony . . . and that the offenders being hereof convicted by verdict, confession, or outlawry [unlawful flight to avoid prosecution], shall suffer such pains of death and losses and penalties of their goods. SOUTH CAROLINA

That if any man lieth with mankind as he lieth with a woman, they both shall suffer death. VERMONT

179 posted on 04/29/2003 6:38:05 PM PDT by FF578 (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and His justice cannot sleep forever)
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To: Jorge
So the moral-liberal humanists and perverts would label God, apparently, Who alone determines what is right and what is wrong.
180 posted on 04/29/2003 6:38:32 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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