Author of the The Real Lincoln to speak TODAY at George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia

[Lady Eileen]

Washington, DC-area Freepers interested in Lincoln and/or the War Between the States should take note of a seminar held later today on the Fairfax campus of George Mason University:

The conventional wisdom in America is that Abraham Lincoln was a great emancipator who preserved American liberties.  In recent years, new research has portrayed a less-flattering Lincoln that often behaved as a self-seeking politician who catered to special interest groups. So which is the real Lincoln? 

On Wednesday, April 16, Thomas DiLorenzo, a former George Mason University professor of Economics, will host a seminar on that very topic. It will highlight his controversial but influential new book, The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War.  In the Real Lincoln, DiLorenzo exposes the conventional wisdom of Lincoln as based on fallacies and myths propagated by our political leaders and public education system. 

The seminar, which will be held in Rooms 3&4 of the GMU Student Union II, will start at 5:00 PM.  Copies of the book will be available for sale during a brief autograph session after the seminar. 

[stainlessbanner]

Sir, I think you have handled yourself most appropriately. The discussion skewed from the basis of fact and deteriorated to libelous claims.

I have been called a traitor and American hater at times on this forum, simply for my love of the South. Problem is, the guys throwing barbs haven't seen the tears in my eyes when I recieved an American flag on my grandfather's death. They haven't seen the American flag I fly at home or the huge 4th of July celebration I put on every year. They haven't seen me pray for our men and women of our military and their families. No they haven't seen all this.

Southerners are the most patriotic of men, the most loyal of men, and perhaps the conservative cornerstone of this republic....and I'm proud to be a part of that, sir!

[Wneighbor]

I said just as Christ died to save mankind, Lincoln died to save America?

That doesn't make sense. If Lincoln HAD died to save America then we can infer that without his death America would have gone down the tubes. That isn't true so the assumption that his death "saved" America is not a valid assumption.

Christ chose to die to save me. Lincoln didn't choose to die to save anything. He was a man filling an elected position. His time and circumstances allowed him to achieve notoriety and greatness.

[thatdewd]

...Wlatimir Pootin...

LOL, good one.

[republicanwizard]

It was no more and no less than a rebellion against the authority of the United States which should have been put down without mercy shown.

Perhaps Thaddeus was right; we should have punished all former Confederates and treated the South like conquered land.

How anyone can defend a rebellion in the name of the right of a state to maintain slavery within its borders is beyond me.

[Non-Sequitur]

I have been called a traitor and American hater at times on this forum, simply for my love of the South.

Not by me. I love your rebel ass.

[rebelyell]

That's what you figured, huh? lol

How about the war between the Confederate States of America and the united States of America? That's what it actually was, though I don't expect you to acknowledge real history.

[republicanwizard]

That's nice. Thanks for sharing.

[Corin Stormhands]

and I'm proud to be a part of that, sir!

And I am proud to stand with you, sir!

[republicanwizard]

Yes, Lincoln died to save you from being damned to hell for supporting the institution of slavery and for treason.

[republicanwizard]

The Confederate States did not have a legal right to exist.

[Non-Sequitur]

It was no more and no less than a rebellion against the authority of the United States which should have been put down without mercy shown.

It was...and it was. I wouldn't wish Sherman's march on anyone, and I wouldn't have changed a thing if I were in his shoes. As he said, "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out." The south started the hostilities and they reaped the results.

[rebelyell]

The only way lincoln could have "died to save America" would have been if he were killed before he was even elected. That might have "saved" America.

His un-Constitutional actions killed what the founders created...that is beyond dispute.

[Non-Sequitur]

How about the war between the Confederate States of America and the united States of America?

The problem I have is that the confederate states did not exist as an independent, sovereign nation and the United States did. But we can call it Jeff Davis's War if you like. I don't mind that one either.

[rebelyell]

Nor did the united States, according to the crown. Next.

[republicanwizard]

Neo-Confederates don't seem to understand that simple point.

[Non-Sequitur]

Nor did the united States, according to the crown. Next.

No it didn't. But two differences are that a) other countries recognized the independence of the United States, and b) the colonists won. Guess they wanted it more than you rebs, huh?

[rebelyell]

Still revising history, ehh? By what twisted rationale do you figure the CSA was not a sovereign nation?

[republicanwizard]

Sure. Lincoln changed a nation which for nearly a century had lived in sin and made it a pure nation without a great moral blemish.

Interesting that you refuse to confront the moral evil of slavery. I'm proud of my Party's Sumner heritage.

[Non-Sequitur]

...that is beyond dispute

No, that statement is beyond belief.

[republicanwizard]

It didn't have a legal right to exist.

The difference between the American Revolution and the Civil War is that one was a rebellion against EVIL, and the other a rebellion against GOOD.