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North Carolina House in Chaos ! Five Ballots - No Speaker !
Raleigh News-Observer ^ | 1/29/2003 | AMY GARDNER AND LYNN BONNER

Posted on 01/29/2003 12:50:52 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj

Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:21PM EST

Five ballots and no new speaker

By AMY GARDNER AND LYNN BONNER, STAFF WRITERS

After five ballots, the state House of Representatives recessed for the day Wednesday afternoon when neither Republicans nor Democrats could marshal 61 votes to elect a new speaker. On each ballot, the 60 House Democrats united to back Rep. Jim Black's bid for a third term. Republicans were divided, with 55 voting for the party's nominee, Rep. George Holmes of Yadkin County, and five for Rep. Richard Morgan of Moore County. It was the first time since 1866 that the speaker of the 120-member House was not elected on the first ballot. The House went through four roll-call ballots, recessed so Republicans and Democrats could meet privately in separate groups, and then conducted one more ballots before adjourning deadlocked in mid-afternoon.

"If I knew what to do, I probably would have already done it," said Black after the House voted to adjourn for the day. The House is schedule to convene again at 9 a.m. Thursday.

The adjournment means another day of intrigue as the two sides jockey for the votes to win. Behind the scenes, numerous conversations were taking place about how Democrats, under Black, would share power with Republicans — either an individual or a small group — if they agreed to back him.

Democrats appeared to have an advantage Wednesday because five dissidents who had originally opposed Black decided Wednesday morning to back him. One member of the group, Rep. Mickey Michaux of Durham, said that after meeting with Black on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning he committed to him. Michaux also acknowledged that part of that discussion involved who would hold the House's No. 2 post, speaker pro tempore, but denied that he had been promised that position.

"People keep talking and communicating and trying to find out where they can find some common ground," said another member of that Democratic group, Rep. Martin Nesbitt of Asheville after the fourth ballot. "We've obviously got more common ground in the Democratic Party today."

One Black supporter, Rep. Donald Bonner of Scotland County, showed up despite having brain surgery to remove a benign tumor only on Thursday. But the adjournment gives Republicans more time to unify themselves. Even it came as a surprise when one Democrat, Rep. Mary McAllister of Fayetteville, accidently voted with Republicans to adjourn when she meant to vote against adjournment.

The speaker's election provided high political drama for the opening day of the 2003 legislative session. The post is one of the most powerful in state government since the speaker holds sway over legislation through the appointment of committee chairmen and through controlling the debate and votes.

In the November election, Republicans won a two-seat majority. But that vanished suddenly Friday when Rep. Michael Decker of Walkertown switched parties and declared his support for Black.

Decker's defection ripped wider a division among House Republicans who could not unite their first nominee, Rep. Leo Daughtry of Smithfield. And even when Daughtry stepped aside on Tuesday, Republicans still could not rally behind Holmes, the new pick.

On the Senate side, the session began much smoother. Sen. Marc Basnight won an unprecedented sixth term as president pro tempore, the Senate's top post.

Before electing their new leaders, House and Senate members took their oaths of office. Fifty-one of the 170 legislators sworn are newcomers.

Staff writer Amy Gardner can be reached at 829-8902 or agardner@newsobserver.com.


TOPICS: Announcements; Breaking News; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: black; daughtry; nchouse; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; speaker
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Disgraceful that our party can't get its act together here and elect a speaker !
1 posted on 01/29/2003 12:50:52 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: jern; ForOurFuture; Constitution Day; William Creel; *Old_North_State; **North_Carolina; ...
*ping*
2 posted on 01/29/2003 12:53:26 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~All our ZOT's are belong to us~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Hilarious that a state house of representatives has an even number of members, even more hilarious is that there are 60 Democrats and 60 Republicans, and no end in sight.

Unless a member of either party betrays his side there may never be a speaker in NC.
3 posted on 01/29/2003 12:58:01 PM PST by BaBaStooey
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To: BaBaStooey
Unless a member of either party betrays his side there may never be a speaker in NC.

Until late last week the GOP had a 61-59 majority in the House. Then Mike Decker jumped ship and joined the RATS making it 60-60.

4 posted on 01/29/2003 12:59:23 PM PST by Phantom Lord (No Remorse)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
ah, I see that a Republican has already defected, turning a 121-119 majority into a 120-120 gridlock.

First, there should never be an even number of members, because it leads to situations like this. There has to be a tiebreaker. If anyone in NC knows, what exactly is the tiebreaker?

Second, the people elected a Republican 2 seat majority, so the choice of the Republicans (hopefully all 60) should be speaker. Problem is likely that Dems are willing to steal the speakership Jeffords-style regardless of legitimacy.
5 posted on 01/29/2003 1:01:43 PM PST by BaBaStooey
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To: BaBaStooey
errr..61-59, 60-60 ok

man its hump day and I'm losing it, when is the weekend?
6 posted on 01/29/2003 1:02:21 PM PST by BaBaStooey
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We've obviously got more common ground in the Democratic Party today."

Gee, what a surprise. Lemme guess, some of those "Better to vote for a Democrat than to sellout and vote for Liddy" nitwits?

7 posted on 01/29/2003 1:12:18 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
This is so wierd.
8 posted on 01/29/2003 1:14:01 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Everyone knows that square is the shape of evil! -Spongebob Squarepants)
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To: JohnnyZ
Who are the five Morgan supporters?
9 posted on 01/29/2003 1:14:21 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Everyone knows that square is the shape of evil! -Spongebob Squarepants)
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To: BaBaStooey
At least you didn't say, "loosing" it.
10 posted on 01/29/2003 1:27:24 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Raving Lunatic LLC)
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To: BaBaStooey
"Problem is likely that Dems are willing to steal the speakership Jeffords-style regardless of legitimacy."

I dunno...looks like five Pat Buchanans are almost as much of a problem as one Jumpin' Jim....

11 posted on 01/29/2003 1:29:11 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Raving Lunatic LLC)
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To: BaBaStooey
>> On the Senate side, the session began much smoother. Sen. Marc Basnight won an unprecedented sixth term as president pro tempore, the Senate's top post. <<

Ah yes, another 'RAT elected for life to run some state with an iron fist. Someone explain to me again why "conservatives" want to take power AWAY from the people and give it to a bunch of liberal government buerucrats running state legislatures? I can just picture who this guy would "appoint" to the U.S. Senate. Southern 'RATs would just LOVE to have MORE power in their rigged-district legislatures so they overturn what the citizens want.

>> Hilarious that a state house of representatives has an even number of members, even more hilarious is that there are 60 Democrats and 60 Republicans, and no end in sight. <<

So where's the Lt. Governor to break the tie-vote? That's basically their ONLY job Lt. Governors do unless the Governor croaks. As I recall the Lt. Gov. is a 'RAT too. If she can't take control here, what CAN she do?

Man, that RINO traitor has really screwed up the state of N.C. He and the adminstration of Duke University need to be thrown out of office A.S.A.P.

12 posted on 01/29/2003 1:31:09 PM PST by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term....without parole.)
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"So where's the Lt. Governor to break the tie-vote? That's basically their ONLY job Lt. Governors do unless the Governor croaks. As I recall the Lt. Gov. is a 'RAT too. If she can't take control here, what CAN she do?"

This would only apply to the State Senate where the Lieutenant Governor usually serves as its President, not in the House. That a$$hole Decker really screwed us, but those 5 other jerks refusing to vote for the GOP standard-bearer aren't helping matters, either.

13 posted on 01/29/2003 1:34:28 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~All our ZOT's are belong to us~)
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To: Cyber Liberty
...only if one of those five switch and join the Dems.
14 posted on 01/29/2003 2:06:15 PM PST by BaBaStooey
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To: BaBaStooey
Something's up here. I got to thinking...

Maybe the Lt. Gov can only vote if there's a tie, right? So what if, by not voting straight, they're avoiding a tie to screw things up?

Just wondering...

15 posted on 01/29/2003 2:12:26 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Raving Lunatic LLC)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I see your thing, too. No Lt. Gove votes. I dunno, it just seems plain screewed up.

What's with these Dems? Why do they think that if they can, they should game every system, everywhere? Is this the "Gore Legacy?"

16 posted on 01/29/2003 2:14:13 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Raving Lunatic LLC)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; JohnnyZ
I think "Double Agent" Decker switched to the Black Side because he was worried about redistricting. If the NC House stayed in GOP hands, the whole redistricting issue would probably be then decided by the courts. When judges draw the political landscape who knows what will happen. We all know politicans hate campaigning in unfamiliar territory. "Double Agent" Decker figured if he sided with the Black Side, the 'RATS, then being in complete control of redistricting, will draw a friendly district for him.

Now that it appears to be a stalemate in the NC House, I think the best solution would be to have Co-House Speakers. This will enable the GOP to have some say in the redistricting process. Most likely with a power sharing arrangement, a redistricting impasse will occur. This scenario might benefit the NC GOP. With a redistricting impasse, the GOP majority NC Supreme Court will be forced to draw the NC political landscape. This won't guarantee favorable lines for the GOP, but it is better than what Easley and Black have in mind.
18 posted on 01/29/2003 4:11:04 PM PST by Kuksool (Down With Easley & Edwards in '04!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Decker's defection ripped wider... should read Decker's defecation...
19 posted on 01/29/2003 5:55:59 PM PST by Xthe17th (FREE THE STATES. Repudiate the 17th amendment!)
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To: Xthe17th
Yeah, I think it's established that he is a $hit.
20 posted on 01/29/2003 6:02:37 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~All our ZOT's are belong to us~)
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