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Atkins diet beats low-fat fare
MSNBC ^ | 11-18-02 | AP

Posted on 11/18/2002 5:32:27 PM PST by Paradox

Nov. 18 — Multitudes swear by the high-fat, low-carbohydrate Atkins diet, and now a carefully controlled study backs them up: Low-carb may actually take off more weight than low-fat and may be surprisingly better for cholesterol, too.

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Westman studied 120 overweight volunteers, who were randomly assigned to the Atkins diet or the heart association’s Step 1 diet, a widely used low-fat approach. On the Atkins diet, people limited their carbs to less than 20 grams a day, and 60 percent of their calories came from fat. “It was high fat, off the scale,” he said.

After six months, the people on the Atkins diet had lost 31 pounds, compared with 20 pounds on the AHA diet, and more people stuck with the Atkins regimen.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; atkins; diet; dietandcuisine; godsgravesglyphs; highfat; huntergatherers; ketosis; lowcarb
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To: chilepepper
I admit there are people and cases out there for which exercise is not a cure for weight issues, and I should have said that in my earlier posts. Like your case, evidently exercise is not practical with your hip condition. Perhaps you could do other exercise like water aerobics, or maybe weights for upper body workouts.
181 posted on 11/19/2002 10:57:55 AM PST by fogarty
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To: Route66
RE:Bloodwork does not lie and plenty of people have the lab tests to prove their success
 
I can attest to this. some 3 years ago I lost 80lbs in an amazingly short time (by basicly eliminating precessed sugar and white fluor) . no more blood suger problems, and more importantly no more high blood pressure. (it was so bad at one time that they almost didn't let me leave the office after a routine physical.)
Atkins is spot on.
182 posted on 11/19/2002 10:59:58 AM PST by tomakaze
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To: uncbob
RE:Vegatarians: To my understanding they are not fat overweight people
 
They also tend not to be very healthy or robust...
183 posted on 11/19/2002 11:01:30 AM PST by tomakaze
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To: Paradox
I was most skeptical about Atkins but I am a firm believer now, although I don't follow it exactly.

I took the food pyramid and lopped off the bottom. I eat dairy, meat, fish, lots of veggies, lots of fruit. No sweets, juices, colas, etc.

I lost about 15 lbs in the first month, then began exercising. I have only lost 20 total but I eat a lot and I only have about 10 more lbs to go anyway. Cholesterol is down, ratio is better, blood pressure down. And I eat plenty of bacon, cheese, burgers, eggs, etc.
184 posted on 11/19/2002 11:06:12 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: sinkspur
"If one gets the sugar (both obvious and hidden) out of the diet, one will lose weight."

Here's the thing I've never understood (been the same weight for 40 years with never "dieting").

Is it true or untrue if you take in fewer calories than you expend you will lose weight?

If you take in more calories than you expend you will gain weight?

I can understand the theory of blood sugar but at the end of the day if incoming = outgoing does it make any difference?

I'm not arguing mind you, I don't know the answer, but it just seems like an immutable law that if you burn more than you take in you'll burn stored calories (fat).

For instance if I eat 6,000 calories of meat but I only expend 3,000 calories I wouldn't gain weight?
185 posted on 11/19/2002 11:35:48 AM PST by Proud_texan
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To: Proud_texan
When you were younger, did it take more calories to put on pounds?

Clearly, how it is burned, under what conditions, have a lot to do with gaining weight. If youth is a factor, why not other things? It is a fact--you can eat more calories on this diet than other diets and lose weight more easily than on other diets.

A little butter on your broccoli will sure tame an appetite.

186 posted on 11/19/2002 12:01:05 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: meyer
...the part I am a bit skeptical about is the consumption of 3-5 tablespoons of Udo's oil daily. What kind of oil is it? Flax seed? Olive oil? A blend? And how much "good" oil is already in your diet? He may be right, but two things come to mind: first, you should get a second opinion on how much EFA you need from somebody that doesn't sell it, and second, you can probably get the same stuff for less without his name on it. Just some observations.

Dr. Erasmus has been the acknowledged expert in the field of oils and their affects on health for years (he has been studying oils for over two decades). He did not start marketing his own products until years after he was already a well respected expert in the field. He was dissatisfied with the way manufacturers were preparing EFAs for consumption and developed new methods and technologies for oil manufacturers.

There are definitely other suppliers of EFA oils, but Udo's Oil Blend is unique in it's ratios of oils and in the care taken during preparation. The oils that are blended are flax, sunflower, evening primrose, and a few other lesser oils. It is possible to buy other oils, but you would have to measure and mix the oils to maintain the ratio of 2 parts Omega 3 to 1 part Omega 6. Additionally, it can be hard to determine how the other oil suppliers prepare their oils. Because of the delicate nature of EFAs it is necessary to package them in a safe environment free of heat, light and oxygen. With Udo's oil, there is no doubt about the care being taken during preparation.

When I first came across the information by Udo I was extremely skeptical but as I was reading his book I realized that Erasmus knows his stuff. The more that I read both from his book and from other sources that confirmed what he had written the more I become convinced in trying an EFA oil supplementation in my diet. Before I read Udo's book, I was taking a softgel EFA supplement and ate fish frequently. I thought that I was getting an adequate amount of EFA in my diet. I was very wrong.

you made a lot of diet changes so its hard to attribute your improvements to just the UDO oil. Perhaps all of the other changes were what helped you the most.

Everything I did contributed to my betterment, no doubt about that, but the oils made the difference. I have dieted several times before using the same diet regimen, without the oil blend. I did get results, but they were slower and I didn't feel anywhere near as well as I did when my diet included the oils.

Additionally, my roommate (who was not dieting) also took the oil supplement. He too noticed a definite improvement in his health after just a few days, and just like myself he was skeptical of the product before using it.

Something else that I didn't mention earlier was my overall health and general well being. Prior to using EFAs in my diet I would get minor head colds/sore throat/general stuffiness every few weeks (a result of being around second hand smoke too often). After I started taking the oils I haven't so much as had a runny nose, and my energy levels went through the roof and have stayed there. My roommate has also noticed a similar effect in his health.

I will read up on it. I'm always a skeptic until things can be shown, so please don't take offense to my above comments.

Trust me, no offense taken. I was very skeptical of the benfits of taking the EFA supplements. The results from my small study of myself and my roommate have convinced me of the efficacy of EFAs in the quantities Udo recommends.

My take, and reading up further on this will help, is that while EFA's are necessary, the consumption of 2 or 3 servings of fish a week is sufficient to provide for good health. Of course a bit of supplemental oils won't hurt, but I don't know that a few tablespoons a day is necessary or productive.

The reason we need so much EFA in our diets is because of how much of it our body uses for building and maintaining itself. EFAs are needed and used in every cell, joint, organ, and tissue in our bodies. Any EFAs in your diet are better than none, but it is better to keep the body well supplied with them.

The indicator that Udo uses for gauging how much oil we need is our skin quality since our skin is the very last part of our body that gets supplied with EFAs. If you are getting enough EFAs in your diet, your skin will be soft, smooth, and velvety. Dry skin indicates a definite deficiency.

I never realized how dry my skin was until after I started taking Udo's oil blend. It took my skin about 4 or 5 days before I noticed the difference but it was remarkable when it did change. In addition, it also cleared up my chronic acne on my back. That was a major benefit for me.

If I slack off on taking my oil for a few days I notice the change. My energy levels will start declining and my skin tone will change. Like I've said, the differences are noticeable and well worth it.

187 posted on 11/19/2002 1:06:19 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Interesting. I'll do some reading. Thanks.
188 posted on 11/19/2002 1:11:03 PM PST by meyer
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To: Pharmboy
When you cut down on carbs and eat protein and fat as per Atkins you get all the EFAs you need.

Even Atkins' diet is sorely lacking in EFAs. Our bodies need a significant amount of EFAs for a lot of different functions. To start with, our bodies use EFAs in ever single cell, joint, tissue, organ, etc. They are a major nutrients and about 90-95 percent of people do not get adequate amounts of EFAs in their diets.

189 posted on 11/19/2002 1:14:12 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: LurkerNoMore!
True - using "ADkins'" drives me crazy!
190 posted on 11/19/2002 1:21:06 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: JameRetief
You need to back up what you are saying with some data. Beliefs don't count. Data. Info. Facts.
191 posted on 11/19/2002 1:43:16 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
You need to back up what you are saying with some data. Beliefs don't count. Data. Info. Facts.

My original post cites the book Fats That Heal Fats That Kill. There are other sources besides that one, but it is well documented with references. Data. Info. Facts. They are there. Read them.

192 posted on 11/19/2002 1:51:06 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Nope. Science please, not beliefs. Doesn't work.
193 posted on 11/19/2002 2:14:18 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Are you dense? The book cites the scientific data to support what I am telling you. Jeez Louise. Buy a clue.
194 posted on 11/19/2002 2:26:46 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: uncbob
"That's what pigs are raised for not lard Lard maybe a by product but try raising pigs that are 90% lard and see how many you sell"

That is true today, but before the advent of hydrogenated vegetable oil, such was not the case. Look at a picture of today's pigs vs. pigs from 75 -100 years ago. Today's pigs are mostly lean meat---"yesterday's" pigs were a MUCH higher percentage of fat--BECAUSE IT WAS A VALUABLE PRODUCT--not a "byproduct" at all.

195 posted on 11/19/2002 3:20:58 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: JameRetief
It is stringing facts along and arriving at a truth. Problem is, in science you must design experiments with which to test your hypotheses. You cannot figure stuff out merely with logic--you must test.
196 posted on 11/19/2002 5:22:30 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Wonder Warthog
Today's pigs are mostly lean meat---"yesterday's" pigs were a MUCH higher percentage of fat--BECAUSE IT WAS A VALUABLE PRODUCT--not a "byproduct" at all.

Point is todays pigs didn't get lean by eating eggs and fats

Original psot was making the point pigs got fat by eating carbs

So how are they staying lean

Besides animals are differnt than humans
Never saw a human that could eat grass and hay
197 posted on 11/19/2002 8:34:09 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Proud_texan
Good question, Proud_texan. Another related one is "what percent of what foods do you actually absorb when you eat them?" Is it possible to consume 5000 calories/day, burn 3000/day but not gain weight because you are simply not absorbing the other 2000?
198 posted on 11/20/2002 7:26:14 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: SamAdams76
good point Sam (of course what is beer, when youre boycotting your namesake)

I dont see it as a sustainable diet. I was on a low fat low carb, low protien diet about 10 years ago - all fine and dandy - I lost 40# - but it wasnt sustainable - though the lasting effect to this day is I can eat any roughage, cabbage, apples - etc with no ill effects (if you know what I mean)- to the adkins I say - everything in moderation and excersize daily (at least walk)

199 posted on 11/20/2002 7:37:32 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Pharmboy
The book is based upon the existing research that has been done on EFAs. Udo brings together the many conclusions that science has made and presents it in a single source for easy reference and in terms that a layman can easily understand. That is the basis of his work with oils.

Something not in the book that you might be interested in is the Danish Athlete Study which was done to see the effects of Udo's Oil Blend on athletic performance, general well being and cardiovascular risk factors.

The highlights of the study can be found here.

200 posted on 11/20/2002 2:09:53 PM PST by JameRetief
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