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WHY WE MUST VOTE REPUBLICAN
Fiedior Report On the News #293 ^ | 10-27-02 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 10/26/2002 10:12:21 AM PDT by forest

Everyone seems to have their favorite conspiracies nowadays and we must get "alerted" to four or five new ones a week. So, herein, we shall not be starting yet another.

Still, there is a rather significant point that must be made before the general election next month. Because, there really is a well entrenched organization afoot that is unabashedly reorganizing life in the United States as we know it. This group is not secret. In fact, they hold semipublic meetings in our nation's Capitol and everyone in the Washington press corps know about them.

Fifty years ago, most members of Congress would have quickly labeled the goals and activities of groups like these as "un-American activities." Today, almost all the members of the groups in question are members of the Democratic Party, as well as members of Congress.

So, while this cannot actually be labeled as a secret conspiracy, there really is a workable plan afoot that could put the leadership of most of the important committees in Congress in the hands of people with decidedly un-American intentions.

This study was begun to determine what the House would look like if the Democrats won back control next month. Dick Gephardt would be Speaker, of course. But, that's only the beginning of the problem. Most work is done in the various committees and whoever runs the committees wields much of the power. So, as we do every couple years, we looked to see who the ranking Democrats are on a few important committees and subcommittees. Let's see what will happen this time around if the Democrats win back Congress next month.

The Appropriation Committee has two subcommittees of interest for this study. If the Democrats take the House, the Subcommittee on Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies will be chaired by Marcy Kaptur** (D-Ohio).

Kaptur** received the double asterisk after her name because she is a long-term, active member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus(1). The Progressive Caucus is a socialist organization aligned with the Democratic Socialists of America and the Socialist International(2) network. The Progressive Caucus "platform" (of sorts) can be found on their Progressive Challenge website.(3)

Now that we have noted the use of the double asterisk as a shorthand gimmick, let's return to examining the disgusting situation we could find ourselves in if the Democratic Party is allowed to win back Congress.

The Subcommittee on Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs could be chaired by Nancy Pelosi** (D-CA). Except, Pelosi** was recently elected by other far left Democratic-socialists to become House Democratic Whip, which means she would be first in line as majority leader if the Democratic Party controlled the House and Gephardt becomes Speaker.

More alarming yet, Pelosi** is currently the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence -- which exercises oversight of all U.S. government intelligence activities. That means, there is a good chance a card carrying socialist could actually become chairman of Intelligence.

Chairmanship of the House Banking and Financial Services Committee would go to either John J. LaFalce (D-NY) or Bernard Sanders** (S-VT). At the subcommittee level, Barney Frank** (D-MA) would chair Housing and Community Opportunity and/or the Committee on Financial Services. Maxine Waters** (D-CA) would chair the Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy and Bernard Sanders** (S-VT) could chair the General Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee.

Under the House Commerce Committee, Henry A. Waxman** (D-CA) is in line to chair either the Subcommittee on Health and Environment or the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

Worse, Waxman** (D-CA) would probably take over the powerful House Government Reform Committee. The Committee on Government Reform is the main investigative committee in the U.S. House of Representatives. It has jurisdiction to investigate any federal program and any matter with federal policy implications. As Ranking Member, Waxman** already sits on all of the Government Reform Committee's subcommittees and often disrupts as much as possible.

It appears that John F. Tierney** (D-MA), would get the chairmanship of the Committee on Government Reform's Subcommittee on Energy Policy, Natural Resources and Regulatory Affairs -- which deals with matters relating to the nation's economic growth, competitiveness, natural resources and regulatory reform and paperwork reduction measures.

As ranking member on the Government Reform subcommittee on Government Efficiency, Financial Management and Intergovernmental Relations, Jan Schakowsky** (D-ILL) would chair the committee that supervises agency budgets.

The powerful House Ways and Means Committee would be chaired by Charles B. Rangel (D-NY). The subcommittee on Oversight would be chaired by William J. Coyne, (D-PA) and Pete Stark** (D-CA) would get Health -- whose scope includes taxes, Medicare, Social Security, trade and public assistance.

The Postal Services subcommittee would be chaired by Chaka Fattah** (D-PA).

Lynn Woolsey** (D-CA) is ranking minority member on the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, so would probably chair that. However, Woolsey** is also ranking minority member on the House Science Committee's Subcommittee on Energy and so could choose to chair that committee instead.

Anything could happen on the House Judiciary Committee because John Conyers** (D-MI) (of reparations fame) would be chairman. Or, Conyers** could again become Chairman of the House Committee on Government Operations.

The House Committee on Resources would be another major problem for the American people because George Miller** (D-CA) could become chairman. Miller, we might add, wants to hand over more than half of our nation's public lands to UN and UNESCO control through the biosphere reserve program, so we see great mischief there. Or, Miller** could become Chairman of the Committee on Education and the Workforce.

Peter DeFazio** (D-OR) would chair the Water Resources and Environment Subcommittee which has jurisdiction over the Army Corps of Engineers and Clean Water Act programs.

Jim McGovern** (D-MA) is the third-ranking Democrat on the powerful House Rules Committee and there is an outside possibility he could become chairman of that.

Tom Lantos** (D-CA) would become chairman of the International Relations Committee, which has jurisdiction over all aspects of United States foreign policy, including political relations, security policies, participation in international organizations, human rights, and trade development.

Major R. Owens** (D-NY) would chair the Subcommittee on Workforce Protections of the Committee on Education and the Workforce.

Jerrold Nadler** (D-NY) would chair either the Commercial and Administrative Law Subcommittee or the House Resources Committee and either Nadler** or Mel Watt** (D-NC) could get the chairmanship of the Subcommittee on the Constitution.

The House Veterans Committee would be chaired by Lane Evans** (D- IL). For the subcommittees, Luis V. Gutierrez** (D-IL) would get Health, Bob Filner** (D-CA) could get Benefits and Corrine Brown** (D-FL) Oversight and Investigations.

The House Armed Services Committee's Military Personnel Subcommittee would go to Neil Abercrombie** (D-HI).

John Olver** (D-MA) is Ranking Member (top Democrat) on the Military Construction Subcommittee of Appropriations, so would chair that. As the senior Democrat on the of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee's Subcommittee on Health, Bob Filner** (D-CA) could take that chairmanship.

Donald M. Payne** (D-NJ) is Ranking Member of the International Relations Committee's Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere and Subcommittee on Africa, so would get that chairmanship.

José E. Serrano**, the Democrat Delegate from Puerto Rico, is the ranking minority member of the Appropriations Committee's Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary and would get that chairmanship. Also from Puerto Rico is the Democratic Delegate Carlos Romero-Barceló. He would chair the National Parks & Public Lands Subcommittee. Eni Faleomavaega**, the Delegate from American Samoa, would chair the Fisheries Conservation, Wildlife & Oceans Subcommittee. Robert Underwood, the Delegate from Guam, would chair the Committee on Resources' Subcommittee on Fisheries Conservation, Wildlife and Oceans.

Yes. You read that correctly. People none of us elected to anything would chair committees controlling our commercial law and much of the public lands and conservation in the continental United States -- even though they are not from here. They cannot vote for a bill on the floor of the House, but they can in committee. They can introduce bills, too. Moving on, we find that the House Small Business Committee would be chaired by Nydia Velazquez** (D-NY) and the Government Programs and Oversight Subcommittee by Danny Davis** (D-IL).

So, there you have it. At least thirty important committees in the House will be chaired by card carrying, go to meetin' socialists if the Democrats win. They will have many of the financial committees, some of the military affairs committees and control most of the environmental issues. Their common bond is socialism, which they admit to publicly by membership in the Progressive Caucus.

On the Senate side, Senator Paul Wellstone** (D-Min.) is (was, anyway) Chairman of the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs -- and a card-carrying member of the Progressive Caucus.

Scratch the surface of the Democratic Party leadership and there are the same five who have been there for years: The Clintons and McAuliffe, of course. But, along with the Clintons, their friends Joe Lieberman and Al From are also card-carrying proponents of "Third Way" socialism in the United States -- just like their European political cohorts like Gerhard Shroeder and Tony Blair, who are Vice Presidents of Socialist International.

The immediate problem started with Lieberman's Democratic Leadership Council (DLC)(4). The DLC was founded in 1985. The past chairs include Bill Clinton and House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt. Then, the chairmanship went back to Joe Lieberman, with Al From as the ever-present Chief Executive Officer. Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) is identified as the current chairman, but it is really Lieberman and From calling all the shots there.

The DLC "think tank" is the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI)(5), which admits to being a "Third Way" socialist organization: "The Progressive Policy Institute is a catalyst for political change. Its mission is to modernize progressive politics and government for the Information Age. Leaving behind the stale left-right debates of the industrial era, PPI is a prolific source of 'Third Way' thinking that is shaping the emerging politics of the 21st century."

An offshoot of the DLC and PPI is The New Democrat Network(NDN)(6). The NDN was founded in 1996 by Senator Joe Lieberman, chairman of the DLC. The NDN "acts as a political venture capital fund to create a new generation of elected officials eager to lead the U.S. and the world into the 21st century and the Internet Age. NDN is committed to electing political leaders who are capable of realizing the great promise of the new century while ensuring that no one is left behind."

NDN has about 65 members in the House and 16 in the senate. Generally speaking, the function of the NDN is to act as the DLC's political action committee and launder soft money to favored Congressional campaign committees.

There is no need to look too hard in the Senate to find un-American activities. Start with the impeachment fiasco and work out. Not one Democratic Senator bothered to even look at the evidence against Clinton. Not even one! Which means, not one Democratic Senator belongs in any position of honor ever again.

We must note, too, that no Democratic Senator came forward to decry their Party's outright violation of our election process. Senator Robert Torricelli (D-NJ) won his New Jersey primary election and the right to place his name on the general election ballot, which he did. When the Democratic Party leadership realized that Torricelli would not win the general election, they violated the will of the voters by coercing him into quitting and stuck 78-year-old socialist Frank Lautenberg in his place.

ome might still remember Lautenberg's first campaign, in 1982. Therein, he ran against 72-year-old Millicent Fenwick. As part of Lautenberg's campaign, he made an issue of age, insinuating she no longer had the capacity to be a senator. She did then. He doesn't today.

But, at least he is alive. In the last few elections the Democratic Party has actually thought it proper to run dead candidates. That fits well with their program, though. They have had dead voters submitting ballots for at least three decades.

Of course, the Democratic Party also fields special teams to visit institutions and collect ballots from Alzheimer’s patients, mental patients and even nursing home patients in comas. So, voting for those who are already dead is just follow-up constituent service for Democrats.

Just last week, in Madison, Wisconsin, prosecutors said that Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jim Doyle's campaign traded food and money to secure votes at a bingo party. Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Dakota, and Nevada were also in the news for voter fraud. In Michigan, Detroit still has not completed counting all the ballots from the primary election that ended many weeks ago and probably never will.

The AFL-CIO is no longer running TV ads aimed at influencing House and Senate races around the country. Instead, they will join with other unions and contribute millions of dollars in "walking around money" for Democratic Party activists. They call it their "get out the vote" drive. In fact, that "drive" has a lot more to do with creating votes than getting people to the correct polling place.

In the last election cycle, Democrats received $46.3 million in soft money from organized labor. Just twelve unions collectively contributed more than $17 million in soft money to Democratic state committees.

Why do Democrats support the failed government school system? They are paid for that support. The National Education Association contributed at least $21 million in the last election -- 95 percent of it to Democrats.

The Association of Trial Lawyers of America gave $19 million to Democrats. And Hollywood entertainment executive Haim Saban, gave at least $11 million to the Democrats -- including a $1 million donation to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees alone contributed at least $30.6 million since the 1989-90 election cycle and over 90% of it went to Democrats. Which means, government employees were bribing their bosses for better pay and benefits.

Most of these groups are very far-left, politically, and/or outwardly socialist groups. All of these groups want something for their money, of course. The Democrats deliver. Therefore, Democratic Party politicians receive plenty of money.

The problem of the Democratic Party is not receiving contributions, it is receiving legal contributions that may be directly used for political campaigns. That is not the type of funding their major contributors favor giving. Therefore, the Democratic Party is often overwhelmed with more so called "soft money" than they can spend legally. Hence, it is common to see them illegally buying votes with money, or whatever other commodity it takes.

Foreign money also comes into play here. Clinton, Gore and Chris Dodd were caught taking cash from communist Chinese, but that is but the tip of that iceberg. Israel launders about a hundred-million dollars into every election cycle. Japan, Inc. isn't far behind Israel. Mexico is getting into the act, as are a variety of South American countries. Most of that money is funneled through lobbyists and Washington law firms to Democrats who will vote correctly.

That is quite illegal, of course. For instance, 2 USC 441e states that it is unlawful for a foreign national to contribute to any political campaign. Yet, the Democratic National Committee knowingly and actively solicits funds from foreign nationals. The DNC also solicits funds from law firms and lobbyists they know to be little more than cut-outs for foreign corporations and governments.

Another law, 18 USC 600, states that, "Whoever promises any contact or other benefit as a consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity may be fined, imprisoned, or both." No one on Capitol Hill pays any attention to that law. There are never any arrests, either. If lobbyists could not promise their clients contacts on Capitol Hill, they would not have much money to contribute to political campaigns.

Also, 18 USC 1956 states that: "Whoever illegally obtains campaign contributions, or knowingly accepts campaign contributions that are laundered in an attempt to conceal the nature, source, ownership or control of the funds, may be fined, imprisoned, or both." Yet, everyone on Capitol Hill knows exactly which lobbyists and Washington legal firms are laundering campaign donation money from clients who cannot legally contribute themselves. They accept the money, anyway.

All of the above applies to the Democrats on Capitol Hill. Unfortunately, some also applies to Republicans -- especially the so called Rockefeller Republicans (often called RINO's -- Republicans In Name Only) who really do not belong in the Republican Party.

But, the point is, Democrats on Capitol Hill tend to be out-and-out socialists. Many are also lawbreakers. All work against the original intent of the authors of our Constitution. Therefore, they consciously and intentionally violate their oath of office and should never be allowed to hold a position in any level of government.

As President Ronald Reagan wisely cautioned: "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom, and then lost it, have never known it again."

By instilling socialism in the United States, the Democrats intend to usurp our freedom. As an instant correction by peaceful means, we should all vote straight Republican next month. Then, we can cull out the bad Republicans in the next primary election.

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1. <http://bernie.house.gov/pc>

2. <http://www.dsausa.org/si/si.html>

3. <http://www.ips-dc.org/netprogress/>

4. <http://www.ndol.org>

5. <http://www.ppionline.org/index.cfm>

6. <http://www.newdem.org>

 

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To: billbears
Sorry no dice, she's a 100% poll watcher of the same breed and type as Clinton. She'll say and do what the people want to hear, unlike the great man she is replacing.

Ok, help me out here. Which way are you voting, for the liberal who stands firmly in the middle of the gun control group? Or Dole whos past has been wishy washy but seems to be more straight now for gun rights now? Or some third party, who I have not even seen listed (I am not from that state, so I don't know the options)? Two of the choises seem a complete waste to me, but I am all ears on your choises if you care to elaborate. Thanks
LowOiL

161 posted on 10/27/2002 7:34:50 AM PST by LowOiL
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To: Lowelljr
for the liberal who stands firmly in the middle of the gun control group? Or Dole whos past has been wishy washy but seems to be more straight now for gun rights now? Or some third party, who I have not even seen listed (I am not from that state, so I don't know the options)? Two of the choises seem a complete waste to me, but I am all ears on your choises if you care to elaborate.

So unless I vote straight party line I'm wasting my vote for the conservative movement, is that it? LOL!! You guys bowl me over, you really do. Elizabeth Dole in her debates, which was just two weeks ago, stated that Hillarycare in '93 didn't go far enough, fastrack legislation is a good idea, and we need apparently higher tariffs. Now apparently you are willing to accept the fact that she can 'change' her mind on gun control in a scant two years(which she can't), am I supposed to accept that the three things listed above are in any way of the conservative platform?

Look, this is the South, one of the last bastions of true conservatives left in this misguided union of ours. While I admit demographics have changed quite a bit in the past 20 years with the influx of foreigners(i.e. yankees), they're supposed to assimilate to us and not expect us to assimilate to them. But yet, the RNC sees fit to foist liberal Republicans that would pass as conservatives up north on us here and when someone like myself disagrees with that, I'm called every name in the book. There are many North Carolinians I know, family and friends, that are not going to vote on the 5th because they can't see the difference between the two candidates!! It's not two sides of a paper, because they basically both believe the same thing. One just has an R and the other a D beside their name. I myself will not vote for Bowles and until the debates had actually considered holding my nose and voting for Dole. Now? I just don't know

162 posted on 10/27/2002 8:16:39 AM PST by billbears
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To: WOSG
It seems Republicans have a choice. Adopt true Libertarian views or lose elections. I hope every election the Republicans lose is by the margin of votes they give up to Libertarians. Go for out vote or lose. It really does not matter to me if we have liberal-lites or full blown liberals. Write us off at your own peril, or don't worry about us it doesn't matter to me. I stopped voting Republican along time ago. I do not trust liars, even if I like the liar's lie.
163 posted on 10/27/2002 10:38:32 AM PST by Lysander
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To: WOSG
Men like Dole (and Bush Sr. -- yes, I said SR.) try to make issues of "competence" and "experience" and "leadership." They never learn that such squishy bland concepts don't inspire conservatives, nor libertarians, nor liberals, nor really anyone. I don't think even moderates are especially animated by it.
164 posted on 10/27/2002 10:43:45 AM PST by Commie Basher
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To: GOPJ
You got to be kidding. Go click on the documentation links at the end of the essay.
165 posted on 10/27/2002 11:19:17 AM PST by forest
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To: Lysander
It really does not matter to me if we have liberal-lites or full blown liberals

Well the full blown liberals does fit your position better. If the shoe fits, you must aquit.

166 posted on 10/27/2002 8:47:00 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Lysander
I stopped voting Republican along time ago

Again I wonder why the L position thinks their leaving the Republicans will cause the party to swing more Right. Lets see, with the L's leaving that means the moral side of the issues will not have to be as strigently adhered to. Thus the last bastion they (republicans) have to play to will be the Christian majority. Thus that becomes the R's edge conservatively, not the LP positions. Thus it makes it more of a player for the left center. Thus pushing the liberals more left and taking more of the center (thus more left itself). So leaveing the R's will have the exact opposite result you wish. You are no longer a viable vote to play to. You lose, I lose, the conservative cause loses. To win you have to be a player, if you vote is not longer in the twist, you lose any and all pull whatsoever. Real Bright IMHO.

167 posted on 10/27/2002 9:03:25 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: billbears
Look, this is the South, one of the last bastions of true conservatives left in this misguided union of ours.

I feel for you man, I know where you are coming from. People don't understand how important the primaries are. Just voting the person with the most face recoginiton is sad. But that is the bubblegum world we live in unfortunately. If everyone would actually do 1/10th the research we do here on FR they would be more informed. We would have better canidates, money would not be a concern in the election because people would not be swayed by 15 second negative ads that don't give a true perspective of an canidate. People would already know where the canidate stands on the issues.

But, society is by most definitions dumb (I hate saying that) when it comes to real issues. I do think you really care and it is tearing you apart. Of course the only canidate that fully supports every idea you want is you, you will have to give some no matter who is running. The only alternative is to run yourself and then you either play the game (because of the pop-corn mentality of voters these days) and not come out too sided on issues or stick to your guns and hope that the people you disagree with on some of your positions have enought sense to understand that you are more like them than the other bland canidate. They say not to be devisive on any one issue (it splits the voters) if you want to win, but it produces a environment of nothingness. That is too bad IMHO.

I wish you luck Mr. BillBears. I hope you find a vote that does not dishearten you too bad and better luck next time on your canidate field in NC next time.

168 posted on 10/27/2002 9:30:16 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Commie Basher
"Hillary, Bush, Daschle, Rumsfeld ... who cares? Not me. Not anymore"

Well, that's abundantly obvious. Enjoy your fantasyland.
169 posted on 10/28/2002 7:34:33 AM PST by gatorbait
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To: Commie Basher; Mark Felton
"Currently, the GOP is "least worst" on socialism."

This current GOP administration is the most socialist, anti-Constitutional Republican administration in history.

We may both be right. Pretty sad, no?"

Pretty parnoid and uneducated sounding.


170 posted on 10/28/2002 7:40:31 AM PST by gatorbait
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To: speekinout
If you're a Nixon GOPer...

I am not. There was no Libertarian until after his wage and price controls! It was a point to show I was a Republican a long time ago and it was Nixon types that have continued to drive me away.

Bush is far more liberal than Nixon

171 posted on 10/28/2002 9:06:44 AM PST by Lysander
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To: Lowelljr
To win you have to be a player, if you vote is not longer in the twist, you lose any and all pull whatsoever. Real Bright IMHO.

Voting isn't about winning a race but about expressing support for political ideas. Would you vote no in Iraq to retain Saddam? You like to think you would but you wouldn't if you stuck with what you call logic. Your vote would be "out of the twist" as you say. Think about it one more time and you might figure it out.

172 posted on 10/28/2002 9:22:23 AM PST by Lysander
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To: Lysander
Voting isn't about winning a race but about expressing support for political ideas.

On one level I see where you are coming from. On another level I must just shake my head. The vote is all you have, period (unless you run for the office). Thus some people out of frustration feel their vote is disposible (I'll show you mentality). If that was my train of thought, I would of just gave up after the primaries because my canidate lost. The very person I felt best represented myself is gone, now what do I do?, I minimise my loses of views by voting the next best person that can win. I guess strict LPers don't really have that problem with the primaries, usually there is only one person running on that ticket (thus very limited selection and you end up with members that spit on people and/or have 17 run ins with the law including firing a gun in a public place while intoxicated). I do believe in some cases, voting is not about winning a race, it is about expressing disappointment in their own shortcomings with the general public . Vote how you want. Will I laugh when you can't figure out why the Republicans don't come begging for your vote back, and the party moves futher left?..Nope.. in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed is king..

Perhaps the LP party should adopt the Soreloserman slogan.

173 posted on 10/28/2002 3:16:22 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Lysander
Bush is far more liberal than Nixon

That's a statement I can't agree with. In which ways do you think so?

174 posted on 10/28/2002 7:25:44 PM PST by speekinout
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To: forest
Why we must NOT vote Republican
175 posted on 10/29/2002 2:57:10 PM PST by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
You're wishing for the Dems to take the House and Senate Nov. 5?


176 posted on 10/29/2002 3:01:03 PM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
You're wishing for the Dems to take the House and Senate Nov. 5?

Uh, what do you think we've had since Republicans took control of both Houses of Congress in 1995? Is the federal government smaller? Any gun control repealed? Any regulations repealed? Any taxes repealed? Any agencies or departments closed? It makes no difference which of the two halves of the Incumbent party control Congress. Government keeps getting bigger.

The Libertarian party is running enough candidates to contest a majority of seats in the House. I'll be voting a straight Libertarian ticket this year. If there's no Libertarian running in any particular race I won't be voting in that race. Americans have two choices this year: 1) vote Libertarian and reduce government or 2) vote socialist and watch government get bigger.

If Ron Paul was my Congressman I'd vote for him even though he's a Republican.

177 posted on 10/29/2002 3:29:52 PM PST by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
Uh, what do you think we've had since Republicans took control of both Houses of Congress in 1995? Is the federal government smaller? Any gun control repealed? Any regulations repealed? Any taxes repealed? Any agencies or departments closed? It makes no difference which of the two halves of the Incumbent party control Congress. Government keeps getting bigger.

The Libertarian party is running enough candidates to contest a majority of seats in the House. I'll be voting a straight Libertarian ticket this year. If there's no Libertarian running in any particular race I won't be voting in that race. Americans have two choices this year: 1) vote Libertarian and reduce government or 2) vote socialist and watch government get bigger.

If Ron Paul was my Congressman I'd vote for him even though he's a Republican.

You didn't answer my question. I'm asking you if you wish for the Dems to take the House and Senate on Nov. 5. Yes or no, please.


178 posted on 10/29/2002 3:38:52 PM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
You didn't answer my question.

Your question was not only loaded but it implied bifurcation. In fact, another choice exists and that choice is to stop supporting candidates who are making government bigger.

I'm asking you if you wish for the Dems to take the House and Senate on Nov. 5. Yes or no, please.

I don't want Republicans or Democrats to take Congress (or any public office). Eventually enough people will get sick of big government and will stop supporting them.

179 posted on 10/29/2002 5:55:06 PM PST by Alan Chapman
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To: concerned about politics
If libertarians do become stronger, my vote will have to go to their opposition.

So if roles were reversed, and the Republican would have no chance to win against the Libertarian, you would do the very thing you oppose on this thread, and vote for a Democrat.

180 posted on 10/29/2002 6:03:19 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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