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IS THIS A PERSON?
8/5/02 | jwalsh07

Posted on 08/05/2002 5:30:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07

AMENDMENT 14
SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionismean; baby; catholiclist; constitution; halliburton; life; prolife; righttolife; unborn
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To: jwalsh07

The state of california and the Peterson jury considered Conner a person.


581 posted on 11/12/2004 8:54:11 PM PST by ampat
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To: UltraKonservativen

Where exactly are your dog appendages growing on or in your body? Why would you want to destroy your dog appendages? You seem confused. I stated the fact that when a person dies all their appendages die with them. BTW, every person's body is their own property. Likewise, every animal's body is it's own property. Animals also have appendages.


582 posted on 11/13/2004 6:40:21 AM PST by Zon
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To: Zon

The "key" to your argument is not "appendages" but "property".
You argue that a woman has the right to kill the fetus because (as an appendage) it is her property. She could cut her arm off under the same reasoning.
Based on this "right to my property" ,I could kill my dogs by crushing their brains and no one should question me.
You destroy your own argument when you tell me that "Likewise, every animal's body is it's own property." Therefore I do not have the right to kill them ?
Don't you see that you give my dogs (property)the right to their own body BUT you would not give the fetus (property) the same right.


583 posted on 11/13/2004 9:06:48 AM PST by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; Lorianne

I was pointing out that Lorianne's reliance on the word "born" to define "person" by using the 14th Amendment is faulty logic.

One must look beyond the Amendment itself to answer the question posed on this thread.


584 posted on 11/14/2004 8:29:06 AM PST by GatorGirl (Four More Years!!!!)
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To: GatorGirl
One must look beyond the Amendment itself to answer the question posed on this thread.

I agree 100%. But therin lies the problem. One must adhere to strict interpretations of the Constitution and its amendments. Otherwise, it gets to be a bit like divining meaning from Bible verse, in that there will always be more than one interpretation. Only one can be correct and sometimes none are.

585 posted on 11/14/2004 9:00:27 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (May the wings of Liberty never lose so much as a feather.)
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To: jwalsh07

Absolutely.


586 posted on 11/14/2004 9:07:40 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: jwalsh07

I keep trying to tell you that personhood is a continuum, but you just won't listen to me. :)


587 posted on 11/14/2004 8:16:32 PM PST by Torie
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To: Isle of sanity in CA

I think it looks like James Carville

so

It isn't human.


588 posted on 11/14/2004 8:17:54 PM PST by gortklattu (check out thotline dot com)
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To: Zon

Biologically, you would be more accurate to characterize the preborn as parasites, rather than appendages. But I understand why you don't want to be that honest about this.


589 posted on 11/14/2004 8:22:09 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: jwalsh07

My daughter turns three tommorrow. Every time I see her take off and run for nothing more than the sake of being a kid and running, I think of the first ultrasound that showed her barely formed arms and legs flapping and kicking endlessly.

She was my little girl then, now and forever. There isn't a feminist, abortionist, MSM talking head or federal court judge who can convince me otherwise....


590 posted on 11/14/2004 8:23:04 PM PST by Skip Ripley
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To: Torie

Very, very funny. LOL


591 posted on 11/14/2004 8:27:24 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Skip Ripley

Doesn't get any better than what you said Skip.


592 posted on 11/14/2004 8:28:20 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Has it filled out a W-4 yet?


593 posted on 11/14/2004 8:29:29 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (Go sell jihad somewhere else. We're all full here.)
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To: HungarianGypsy

It might surprise you how many educated people do not realize that your son built that umbilicus and the placenta to which it was attached. In fact, that placenta (and the amniotic sac extended from the first stem cells that did the building) was the first organ your son built for his own survival, and he cast it off upon exiting into the air world! But the exiting thing is, the stem cells he put in that placenta and the cord blood therein are rich sources of stem cells that can and do already cure diseases! Pretty nifty work for an 'amorphous non-person', to make stem cells that cure diseases in persons, don't you think?


594 posted on 11/14/2004 8:33:48 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: jwalsh07

Definitely a person.


595 posted on 11/14/2004 8:43:09 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: UltraKonservativen

The "key" to your argument is not "appendages" but "property". 

Wrong. I addressed that aspect in an earlier post.

You argue that a woman has the right to kill the fetus because (as an appendage) it is her property. 

You're wrong again. My argument has consistently been that the fetus is an appendage. I never stated my opinion on abortion. 

596 posted on 11/14/2004 11:48:55 PM PST by Zon
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To: MHGinTN

Biologically, you would be more accurate to characterize the preborn as parasites, rather than appendages. 

Appendage is most accurate as is property. The fetus is a natural female growth. A person owns all parts of their body.

But I understand why you don't want to be that honest about this.

I fully understand your need to demonize.

597 posted on 11/14/2004 11:50:02 PM PST by Zon
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To: jwalsh07

20 month old babies have survived ...., well I hope so, if they didn't humankind would not exist.


598 posted on 11/14/2004 11:59:54 PM PST by diss-a-lib (God is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh.)
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To: jwalsh07

And I assumed as much, that you meant weeks, not months, sorry for the levity at your expense.


599 posted on 11/15/2004 12:02:58 AM PST by diss-a-lib (God is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh.)
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To: Zon

"I never stated my opinion on abortion..."

O.K. so what is opinion on abortion?


600 posted on 11/15/2004 5:10:50 AM PST by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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