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IS THIS A PERSON?
8/5/02 | jwalsh07

Posted on 08/05/2002 5:30:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07

AMENDMENT 14
SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionismean; baby; catholiclist; constitution; halliburton; life; prolife; righttolife; unborn
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To: Lorianne
Unfortunately, not according to the definition predicated on the word "born".

Read more carefully. All persons born in the US are citizens. A separate statement is that no law shall deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Even if you are not a citizen the state cannot deprive you of life or liberty.

561 posted on 11/12/2004 7:15:34 PM PST by Naspino (Not creative enough to have a tagline.)
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To: jwalsh07

In my opinion, yes.


562 posted on 11/12/2004 7:16:01 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: jwalsh07

"Is this baby a person?"

ABSOLUTELY.


563 posted on 11/12/2004 7:16:55 PM PST by avenir
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To: Bowana
Most definitions of the word "Person" include the words Human and Individual.

So Webster's has the final say?

564 posted on 11/12/2004 7:17:14 PM PST by Naspino (Not creative enough to have a tagline.)
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To: jwalsh07

Well, it isn't a mere blob of disorganized, dead human tissue, so I venture that it is a live baby and has been since inception. What a concept! How could any sane person deny this to be true?


565 posted on 11/12/2004 7:18:36 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: LadyPilgrim
Believ me, it is a huge step forward. California has ackowledged the personhood of the unborn. There is nothing in the US Constituion precluding them from doing so. States are free to expand individual rights, they are simply constrained from contracting them.

As Harry Blackmun, no friend to the unborn, said, and I paraphrase. 'If the unborn baby is a person, then the 14th Amendment right to life applies.'

566 posted on 11/12/2004 7:24:13 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Jer. 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;


567 posted on 11/12/2004 7:25:18 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: Paulus Invictus
How could any sane person deny this to be true?

By dehumanizing. It's a defense mechanism that prevents the bridges from being full of people waiting to jump.

568 posted on 11/12/2004 7:26:34 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
The United States has no citizens..
You are a citizen of a State...
The United States is NOT a place its a construct..
Washington D.C. is not the United States either.
The United States is a mental figment.. a State is NOT..
A State is tangible, a constuct is a metaphor of something tangible. The United States is intangible..
569 posted on 11/12/2004 7:27:18 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Cool.


570 posted on 11/12/2004 7:29:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Aye, it IS a person.

I can't imagine the spiritual darkness of those who deny this.

Is THIS denial the "litmus test" the Democrats and Arlen Specter demand the Supreme Court abides in?

571 posted on 11/12/2004 7:39:19 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: jwalsh07
[ Cool. ]

LoL..

572 posted on 11/12/2004 8:13:46 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Zon

I get where you are coming from..."They are both the property of the woman"...therefore she can do what she wants with her property (the appendages that is).

I own two dogs, they are my property, I think I'll kill them.
WAIT...No one should be upset about this. They are my property after all. Killing them by crushing their skull is not cruel or disgusting or reprehensible in any way.They are my property...(according to Zon).


573 posted on 11/12/2004 8:26:06 PM PST by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: Lorianne
...not according to the definition predicated on the word "born"

Actually, if you read carefully, that phrase is applied to persons, not citizens. The word "born" is part of the definition of a citizen, not a person.

574 posted on 11/12/2004 8:31:29 PM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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To: jwalsh07

Absolutely.


575 posted on 11/12/2004 8:32:39 PM PST by Politicalmom ( Since Bush was selected in 2000, shouldn't he be able to run again in 2008?)
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To: UltraKonservativen
I own two dogs, they are my property, I think I'll kill them. WAIT...No one should be upset about this. They are my property after all. Killing them by crushing their skull is not cruel or disgusting or reprehensible in any way.They are my property...(according to Zon).

I've thought the very same thing. One should make a video of various abortion procedures being done on animals. It would make the liberals' heads explode.

576 posted on 11/12/2004 8:36:10 PM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: jwalsh07

Jeremiah 1

5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew [1] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

6 "Ah, Sovereign LORD ," I said, "I do not know how to speak; I am only a child."
7 But the LORD said to me, "Do not say, 'I am only a child.' You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. 8 Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you," declares the LORD .


577 posted on 11/12/2004 8:36:19 PM PST by sayfer bullets (Proverbs 6: 16-18 " ...hands that shed innocent blood,...")
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To: Bowana

so--would you consider "conjoined twins" to be an individual or two separate people? would you consider someone who is severely mentally handicapped a person?


578 posted on 11/12/2004 8:41:21 PM PST by latina4dubya
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To: jwalsh07

Gee. Now I feel stupid. I didn't look at the date, OF COURSE, and I just replied. I proceeded to continue reading, and found I already posted to this thread, when I was pregnant with my 19 month old. I read the post, thought "Wow. That makes a lot of sense." and then did a double take when I realized I agreed with MYSELF!!!

Heehehehee


579 posted on 11/12/2004 8:42:24 PM PST by Politicalmom ( Since Bush was selected in 2000, shouldn't he be able to run again in 2008?)
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To: Lorianne

No, that is the definition of "citizen" that is predicated on born, that is a citizen is a born person. It does not mean that a person must be born to be a person.


580 posted on 11/12/2004 8:44:05 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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