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Confronting homosexual propaganda
CNLGLG.COM ^ | 8/4/2002 | Tony Horton

Posted on 08/04/2002 12:41:20 PM PDT by TonyTheTigger

I was homosexual, so the media can't fool me into believing it is a healthy alternative lifestyle. Most homosexuals have had so many sexual partners they have lost count. Alot have had hundreds.

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I should call this article anything but moral and decent.

Even though aids is killing people, the homosexual community continues to frequent bath houses disguised as health spa's and have countless sexual encounters in one night. They have sex in public bathrooms and in parks.

1 posted on 08/04/2002 12:41:20 PM PDT by TonyTheTigger
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A self-correcting problem.

That's why the hetero community can't be interested.

3 posted on 08/04/2002 12:47:54 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: TonyTheTigger
I'm not sure how much this article succeeds in refuting homosexual propaganda, but I suspect the author is sincere at least.
4 posted on 08/04/2002 12:49:25 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: TonyTheTigger
Our Nation's laws against homosexuality go back beyond it's founding. In every single civilized nation since the beginning of time, homosexuality was considered immoral, a crime against nature, and usually was a capital offense. Let's look at a few quotes:

"Homosexual conduct is, and has been, considered abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated. Such conduct violates both the criminal and civil laws of this State and is destructive to a basic building block of society -- the family." ---- Chief Justice Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court in a decision denying custody of children to a lesbian mother.

The Corpus Juris Civilis is the sixth-century encyclopedic collection of Roman laws made under the sponsorship of Emperor Justinian. "It is Justinian's collection which served as the basis of canon law (the law of the Christian Church) and civil law (both European and English)."

The following is a statement in Law French from Corpus Juris: "'Sodomie est crime de majeste vers le Roy Celestre,' and [is] translated in a footnote as 'Sodomy is high treason against the King of Heaven.' At common law 'sodomy' and the phrase 'infamous crime against nature' were often used interchangeably."

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination." (KJV) Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them."(KJV) Leviticus 20:13

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)

"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel." (KJV) Deuteronomy 23:17

No matter how much society appears to change, the law on this subject has remained steadfast from the earliest history of the law, and that law is and must be our law today. The common law designates homosexuality as an inherent evil... ---- Chief Justice Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court in a decision denying custody of children to a lesbian mother.

"The Constitution does not confer a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy. None of the fundamental rights announced in this Court's prior cases involving family relationships, marriage, or procreation bear any resemblance to the right asserted in this case. And any claim that those cases stand for the proposition that any kind of private sexual conduct between consenting adults is constitutionally insulated from state proscription is unsupportable. " The United States Supreme Court in BOWERS v. HARDWICK, 478 U.S. 186 (1986) 478 U.S. 186

Criminal sodomy laws in effect in 1791:

Connecticut: 1 Public Statute Laws of the State of Connecticut, 1808, Title LXVI, ch. 1, 2 (rev. 1672). Delaware: 1 Laws of the State of Delaware, 1797, ch. 22, 5 (passed 1719). Georgia had no criminal sodomy statute until 1816, but sodomy was a crime at common law, and the General Assembly adopted the common law of England as the law of Georgia in 1784. The First Laws of the State of Georgia, pt. 1, p. 290 (1981). Maryland had no criminal sodomy statute in 1791. Maryland's Declaration of Rights, passed in 1776, however, stated that "the inhabitants of Maryland are entitled to the common law of England," and sodomy was a crime at common law. 4 W. Swindler, Sources and Documents of United States Constitutions 372 (1975). Massachusetts: Acts and Laws passed by the General Court of Massachusetts, ch. 14, Act of Mar. 3, 1785. New Hampshire passed its first sodomy statute in 1718. Acts and Laws of New Hampshire 1680-1726, p. 141 (1978). Sodomy was a crime at common law in New Jersey at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. The State enacted its first criminal sodomy law five years later. Acts of the Twentieth General Assembly, Mar. 18, 1796, ch. DC, 7. New York: Laws of New York, ch. 21 (passed 1787). [478 U.S. 186, 193] At the time of ratification of the Bill of Rights, North Carolina had adopted the English statute of Henry VIII outlawing sodomy. See Collection of the Statutes of the Parliament of England in Force in the State of North-Carolina, ch. 17, p. 314 (Martin ed. 1792). Pennsylvania: Laws of the Fourteenth General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, ch. CLIV, 2 (passed 1790). Rhode Island passed its first sodomy law in 1662. The Earliest Acts and Laws of the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations 1647-1719, p. 142 (1977). South Carolina: Public Laws of the State of South Carolina, p. 49 (1790). At the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights, Virginia had no specific statute outlawing sodomy, but had adopted the English common law. 9 Hening's Laws of Virginia, ch. 5, 6, p. 127 (1821) (passed 1776).

Criminal sodomy statutes in effect in 1868:

Alabama: Ala. Rev. Code 3604 (1867). Arizona (Terr.): Howell Code, ch. 10, 48 (1865). Arkansas: Ark. Stat., ch. 51, Art. IV, 5 (1858). California: 1 Cal. Gen. Laws,  1450, 48 (1865). Colorado (Terr.): Colo. Rev. Stat., ch. 22, 45, 46 (1868). Connecticut: Conn. Gen. Stat., Tit. 122, ch. 7, 124 (1866). Delaware: Del. Rev. Stat., ch. 131, 7 (1893). Florida: Fla. Rev. Stat., div. 5, 2614 (passed 1868) (1892). Georgia: Ga. Code 4286, 4287, 4290 (1867). Kingdom of Hawaii: Haw. Penal Code, ch. 13, 11 (1869). Illinois: Ill. Rev. Stat., div. 5, 49, 50 (1845). Kansas (Terr.): Kan. Stat., ch. 53, 7 (1855). Kentucky: 1 Ky. Rev. Stat., ch. 28, Art. IV, 11 (1860). Louisiana: La. Rev. Stat., Crimes and Offences, 5 (1856). Maine: Me. Rev. Stat., Tit. XII, ch. 160, 4 (1840). Maryland: 1 Md. Code, Art. 30, 201 (1860). Massachusetts: Mass. Gen. Stat., ch. 165, 18 (1860). Michigan: Mich. Rev. Stat., Tit. 30, ch. 158, 16 (1846). Minnesota: Minn. Stat., ch. 96, 13 (1859). Mississippi: Miss. Rev. Code, ch. 64, LII, Art. 238 (1857). Missouri: 1 Mo. Rev. Stat., ch. 50, Art. VIII, 7 (1856). Montana (Terr.): Mont. Acts, Resolutions, Memorials, Criminal Practice Acts, ch. IV, 44 (1866). Nebraska (Terr.): Neb. Rev. Stat., Crim. Code, ch. 4, 47 (1866). [478 U.S. 186, 194] Nevada (Terr.): Nev. Comp. Laws, 1861-1900, Crimes and Punishments, 45. New Hampshire: N. H. Laws, Act. of June 19, 1812, 5 (1815). New Jersey: N. J. Rev. Stat., Tit. 8, ch. 1, 9 (1847). New York: 3 N. Y. Rev. Stat., pt. 4, ch. 1, Tit. 5, 20 (5th ed. 1859). North Carolina: N.C. Rev. Code, ch. 34, 6 (1855). Oregon: Laws of Ore., Crimes - Against Morality, etc., ch. 7, 655 (1874). Pennsylvania: Act of Mar. 31, 1860, 32, Pub. L. 392, in 1 Digest of Statute Law of Pa. 1700-1903, p. 1011 (Purdon 1905). Rhode Island: R. I. Gen. Stat., ch. 232, 12 (1872). South Carolina: Act of 1712, in 2 Stat. at Large of S. C. 1682-1716, p. 493 (1837). Tennessee: Tenn. Code, ch. 8, Art. 1, 4843 (1858). Texas: Tex. Rev. Stat., Tit. 10, ch. 5, Art. 342 (1887) (passed 1860). Vermont: Acts and Laws of the State of Vt. (1779). Virginia: Va. Code, ch. 149, 12 (1868). West Virginia: W. Va. Code, ch. 149, 12 (1868). Wisconsin (Terr.): Wis. Stat. 14, p. 367 (1839).

"Forasmuch as there is not yet sufficient and condign punishment appointed and limited by the due course of the Laws of this Realm for the detestable and abominable Vice of Buggery committed with mankind of beast: It may therefore please the King's Highness with the assent of the Lords Spiritual and the Commons of this present parliament assembled, that it may be enacted by the authority of the same, that the same offence be from henceforth ajudged Felony and that such an order and form of process therein to be used against the offenders as in cases of felony at the Common law. And that the offenders being herof convict by verdict confession or outlawry shall suffer such pains of death and losses and penalties of their good chattels debts lands tenements and hereditaments as felons do according to the Common Laws of this Realme. And that no person offending in any such offence shall be admitted to his Clergy, And that Justices of the Peace shall have power and authority within the limits of their commissions and Jurisdictions to hear and determine the said offence, as they do in the cases of other felonies. This Act to endure till the last day. of the next Parliament" Buggery act of England 1553

Britton, i.10: "Let enquiry also be made of those who feloniously in time of peace have burnt other's corn or houses, and those who are attainted thereof shall be burnt, so that they might be punished in like manner as they have offended. The same sentence shall be passed upon sorcerers, sorceresses, renegades, sodomists, and heretics publicly convicted" English law forbidding sodomy dating back to 1300AD.

These quotes are just a few of the many that are avaliable.

Now, why did these laws exist? Libertarians and other assorted liberal folk don't like any laws that protect society and prevent the moral decline of a nation's people. They are immoral people and they want to be free to be immoral.

What did our founders say about this? Way back in 1815, The Pennsylvania Supreme Court decided an important case, here are excerpts from that case:

This court is...invested with power to punish not only open violations of decency and morality, but also whatever secretly tends to undermine the principles of society... Whatever tends to the destruction of morality, in general, may be punishable criminally. Crimes are public offenses, not because they are perpetrated publically, but because their effect is to injure the public. Buglary, though done in secret, is a public offense; and secretly destroying fences is indictable.

Hence it follows, that an offense may be punishable, if in it's nature and by it's example, it tends to the corruption or morals; although it not be committed in public.

Although every immoral act, such as lying, ect... is not indictable, yet where the offense charged is destructive of morality in general...it is punishable at common law. The destruction of morality renders the power of government invalid...

No man is permitted to corrupt the morals of the people, secret poision cannot be thus desseminated.

Keep in mind now that the judges on this court had lived through the revolution and fought for the nation's survival. This was just a few years after the Constitution was Adopted. SO the libertarians who are going to scream that these judges didn't know what they were talking about are way off base. (They want you to think that your basic pot head knows more about the Constitution than the men who were actually there at the nation's founding.)

Now why did the court take that position? Simple, a Nation without morality cannot function. A nation that loses site on principle is doomed to go the way of the Roman Empire. Every single nation that has lost sight of basic moral principles has fallen. Homosexuality is anathema to morality. The two cannot exist together. Homosexuality is unnatural (no matter how much liberals will try to convince you otherwise.) And it is immoral. It cannot be tolerated period.

Homosexuality is immoral, Indecent, abhorant, and repugnant. It is a stain on our society, and must never ever be tolerated.

5 posted on 08/04/2002 1:38:55 PM PDT by FF578
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To: TonyTheTigger
Your sincerity and passion are unquestioned but you are preaching to the choir. Your passion might be better served if you posted this link to the DU website.

Thanks

6 posted on 08/04/2002 1:48:16 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: FF578
The ancient landmarks of moral boundaries and sexual taboos stayed in place among civilized societies thousands of years for good reason.

Crossing well-defined barriers was time-proven to cause physical and mental decay. It was a matter of public health, so to speak.

Wanna create a nation of f***-nuts? - Tell them there's no boundary.
7 posted on 08/04/2002 2:33:50 PM PDT by martian_22
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To: TonyTheTigger
And you're still a homosexual. Denying it will ultimately cause your destruction as your inate (choice my a$$)sexuality competes with your attempt at heterosexuality. Been there done that. I neither recruit others nor have an 'agenda'. If you don't like whatever practices you think I participate in, I suggest you focus your mind on some other activity. I suggest focusing on a tax revolt instead of falling into the divide and conquer strategy of your religious dogma.
8 posted on 08/04/2002 3:37:12 PM PDT by CARTOUCHE
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I suspect homosexual activity in the mind and the behavior is a syndrome related to complex pathogens of a person's past.
9 posted on 08/04/2002 7:06:36 PM PDT by First_Salute
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They have sexual acts that would make a decent person sick. The sexual acts are so perverse, I can't put them in print here.

If you don't like whatever practices you think I participate in

Do tell us why you are so upset with the quote from his article?

If your sexual acts are NOT so perverse, put them in print.

I'm a heterosexual and can print what I do sexually with my wife and don't think anyone would be upset.

Things we don't do

We don't use fruits or vegetables.
We don't use jars or utensils
We don't use brooms
We don't engage in sex outside of our marriage

I could go on and gross folks out, but I will not.

Oh' and we produce offspring something the homosexual can never do. Recruit or adopt

10 posted on 08/04/2002 7:30:50 PM PDT by JZoback
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Choice or no choice, homsexuality is not normal behavior.
While you may argue your homosexuality is not a choice but the way you were born, you should also keep in mind that not all things occuring naturally are normal. My son was born with a heart defect, natural but not normal. Other people are born with six toes, again, natural but not normal. Some people are born killers, natural but not normal. Some people may even be born homosexual, natural but that doesn't make it normal.

When some people try and convince others that something abnormal is normal, that is where we draw the line.
11 posted on 08/04/2002 7:44:30 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: JZoback
Outstanding JZ!
12 posted on 08/04/2002 7:56:18 PM PDT by Lilly
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To: Gunrunner2
Dennis Prgaer's Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality is what I consider a "must read" on this subject. I've been posting it a lot, but feel it's well worth it.

Best.

13 posted on 08/04/2002 8:07:59 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Thanks. Will read.
14 posted on 08/04/2002 8:15:06 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: CARTOUCHE
If this isn't too personal I'd be interested to know if you remember any early childhood sexual experiences, i.e., were molested in any way as a child?

Please be careful out there. All but one of my gay men friends are gone now. I miss them so much.
15 posted on 08/04/2002 9:45:31 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: JZoback
Oh' and we produce offspring something the homosexual can never do.

Not so. Many homosexuals have children through normal sex from before they "came out". It's distressingly common in some places for marriages to break up over this. Taliban Johnny's father is a notorious example of this.

16 posted on 08/04/2002 10:41:03 PM PDT by Salman
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Oh' and we produce offspring something the homosexual can never do.

You are correct. Let me restate

Oh' and we produce offspring something the homosexual couple can never do.

17 posted on 08/05/2002 1:56:54 AM PDT by JZoback
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To: EdReform
FYI
18 posted on 08/05/2002 4:17:35 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: CARTOUCHE
Homosexuality is selfish choice, just like adultry. The real thing that destroys anyone is believing the "Lie." I doubt anyone here could care less about what you participate in, but people do care about other people's self-serving, evil, perverted choices because it leads down a road of destruction for everyone.

I'm sure you are a decent person and care about others, but denying your perverted desire will ultimately cause your destruction as the Lie you beleive will compete with what is true.

I suggest you focus your mind on a change of heart before you fall into a blind abyss of your twisted perverted dogma.

19 posted on 08/05/2002 5:03:06 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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