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Poll: What Colleges Are the Worst?
Free Republic Network/Ed Watch ^ | Dec. 21, 2001 | IronJack

Posted on 12/21/2001 3:25:33 PM PST by IronJack

In an effort to plan our first Ed Watch campaign, I am looking for colleges and universities that are the worst offenders of traditional American values. They may be havens for Leftists, Marxists, or other cultural traitors. They may sponsor curricula that promote anti-Christian values, anti-familial activities, or racial dissent. They may waste taxpayer money or advance a trivial or useless agenda. Whatever the case, they are institutions of liar learning that need to be "outed."

FReepers: Who are they?


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To: IronJack
UC Santa Cruz had or has Angela Davis on faculty. I believe Huey Newton got a Masters degree there, or at least worked on it. Beautiful place however.

I was at UW Madison in the superheated years 1967 & 1968. You could drink low-octane beer in the Student Union restaurant at 18 and real beer in the several heavily patronized student bars right near campus on State St. People stood in line in frigid weather for an hour on Thurs. nites to get in (weekends began Thurs. nite).

Recall anti-war riots in which near-campus stores had windows broken. Witnessed rallies led by budding young socialists, one of whom years later was elected Mayor.

Got my first whiff of tear gas when the fuzz cleared out a building that had been occupied by protesters opposed to CIA recruiters. I was outside the entrance and watched the cops go in and bust heads when protesters sprawled on the floor. We all called it a "police riot" and it was well known that the cops were happy to lay into the priveleged lefties - a big cultural gap existed of course. Heavy leftist atmosphere was often attributed to the large contingent of "New York Jews" attending, ruining things for the decent natives of Wisconsin. (no slur here by me - just reporting the zeitgeist)

I was a Poli Sci major and felt I got a fair education. I can't recall any major bias in my instruction but I would probably not have noticed some subtleties I might react to today. Things undoubtedly got much worse when the students of my era became tenured profs years later. I quit sending alum donations when Shalala took over and have never resumed.

Gotta say I enjoyed going to UW. Playboy named it one of the top 10 party schools and we were so proud. But I doubt I would send a child there today.

One moment I will never forget is hearing on the radio that Otis Reading had been killed in a small-plane crash as he neared Madison to perform at the grand opening of a new club. (I had been planning on attending) A great loss.

101 posted on 12/21/2001 8:14:24 PM PST by midway
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To: all
Good list. Keep 'em coming.

Does anyone have PERSONAL experiences -- no more than second-hand -- with a particular college or professor or course? Do any FReepers have kids attending an especially loathsome institution? I'm looking for as solid information as I can get, not just opinions and conjecture.

Not that those aren't welcome too, but for the purposes of this project, we're going to need facts, not speculation.

102 posted on 12/21/2001 8:17:16 PM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
The University of California at Riverside was in the 80's known for having the MOST left-wing/socialist/communist economics department in the UC system, including BERKLEY!
103 posted on 12/21/2001 8:22:11 PM PST by wayne_shrugged
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To: midway
You make a couple of good points. WE are now a lot older than when we attended college, and the STUDENTS are now OUR kids, instead of our parents'. So our perspective has changed a lot.

But so have the colleges. Now the professors are idiots from our own ranks, the fools who couldn't make it anywhere else, so they end up in some backwater moo U working for tenure and polluting kids' minds with their intellectualized toxic waste.

Those two factors should breed a sea change in the atmosphere at the nation's colleges. We KNOW what went on at our own schools, back in the day when a lot of this stuff was pretty new. Hopefully, we're not going to let our own kids get away with some of the stuff we got away with. And we're not going to let the professors get away with their incompetence and Red sale either.

104 posted on 12/21/2001 8:26:08 PM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Cal State Fresno!!

Just look at the THUGS on their basketball team...click here...

105 posted on 12/21/2001 8:32:38 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Paulus Invictus
There is ONE good professor in the Cal State System...

Shelby Steele

106 posted on 12/21/2001 8:38:12 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Doctor Don
The University of California at Berkeley is on your list for what specific reasons?
107 posted on 12/22/2001 2:02:42 AM PST by Rudder
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
One reason you couldn't figure it out is that you don't pay close attention to details, like the spelling of the name: It's "Berkeley."
108 posted on 12/22/2001 2:06:33 AM PST by Rudder
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To: wayne_shrugged
Try spelling it Berkeley next time and you won't appear illiterate.
109 posted on 12/22/2001 2:09:32 AM PST by Rudder
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To: IronJack
Northern Illinois University is pretty awful--fourth tier, a state school, and liberal as all get-out--but it sure is cheap!

If you want a laugh, have a look around the editorials here.

110 posted on 12/22/2001 2:16:15 AM PST by Pistias
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To: IronJack
With the Sexual-deviancy-promoting Kinsey Institute, Indiana University deserves mention. Although I don't think it is quite to the level of Berkeley.
111 posted on 12/22/2001 2:28:17 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Rudder
Havng eh Rutten Chrismas, r wee?
112 posted on 12/22/2001 3:25:33 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Always Right
With the Sexual-deviancy-promoting Kinsey Institute, Indiana University deserves mention. Although I don't think it is quite to the level of Berkeley.

I don't think UC Berkeley has the equivalent of the Kinsey Institute. So I don't get what you mean by "...quite to the level of Berkeley."

113 posted on 12/22/2001 4:37:44 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
I don't think UC Berkeley has the equivalent of the Kinsey Institute. So I don't get what you mean by "...quite to the level of Berkeley."

I have only visited Berkely once, but all I saw when visiting the campus was posters for Gay and Lesbian organizations. Tie that with their anti-war protests and their history of liberal activism and liberal professors and I am puzzled as why you seem so defensive of Berkeley as if it is some great center of conservatism.

114 posted on 12/22/2001 4:44:16 AM PST by Always Right
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To: IronJack
The home of most of the fairies, elfs, watermellons and other assorted liberal pantywastes in the northwest - University of Oregon in Eugene - commonly referred to as UFO. An abject waste of tuition dollars.
115 posted on 12/22/2001 4:51:27 AM PST by glockmeister40
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To: Rudder
The Berkeley Censors

By Stanley Kurtz, fellow at the Hudson Institute March 5, 2001 10:15 a.m.

If you want to understand what's gone wrong with higher education in America, UC Berkeley is the place to begin. Berkeley is where the great student protests of the Sixties started; Berkeley is where our current culture war broke out; and Berkeley is the center of today's movement to abolish the SAT's.

Last week, Berkeley did it again. By publicly apologizing for publishing a book ad critical of proposed reparations for slavery, Berkeley's student newspaper, the Daily Californian, quickly gained national honors in the field of intellectual censorship.

It wasn't supposed to be this way. In 1964, the Berkeley campus was swept by a student rebellion against restrictions on political activity. The revolt was called the "Free Speech Movement," and it would be easy to say that today's student censors are betraying the spirit of that movement. But matters are not so clear cut.

It's true that the original Free Speech Movement billed itself as a defender of rights for all. But while the mantle of our constitutional liberties succeeded in building a broad-based student coalition — one that included even the Young Republicans — the leaders of the original Free Speech Movement were never interested in balanced debate. The text of the movement was individual rights, but the sub-text was the need to find some new form of solidarity — some substitute for religious communion in a lonely secular world. The student leaders, many of whom had returned to campus from a dangerous but ennobling summer of work for the civil-rights movement in Mississippi, discovered that they could keep alive that almost religious sense of danger, purpose, and solidarity, by looking at the entire world through the prism of the civil-rights struggle. A widely distributed pamphlet called, "The Student as Nigger," said it all. Once these middle-class kids had re-imagined themselves as persecuted victims of their parents, the government, and university authorities, their lives were turned into an almost magical crusade against injustice. The rallies purported to be about individual rights, but they were really about heroic solidarity, us against them, good versus evil.

When the quasi-religious underpinnings of the Sixties ethos came up against the free-speech rights of all those evil oppressors out there, free-speech went into the can. It happened first at Berkeley, when in the early eighties, before "political correctness" even had a name, Ronald Reagan's U.N. Ambassador Jeanne Kirkpatrick was shouted down during a lecture on the UC Berkeley campus. That a few censorious radicals might have shouted Kirkpatrick down was unsurprising. But campus reaction to the incident was shocking. In the pages of the Daily Cal, respected faculty members split over whether our nation's U.N. ambassador had a legitimate right to speak on campus. Many argued, in the Marxist fashion, that oppressors have no rights, and that classic liberal notions of fairness are themselves a cover for the despotism of the powerful. The Kirkpatrick incident was a portent of things to come — arguably, the kick-off of the culture war that began in earnest in the late eighties.

Now, in the pages of the same Daily Cal, we see the conclusion of the original struggle for "free speech." David Horowitz, that courageous and canny conservative trickster, decided to force the issue of liberal intolerance by running an ad for a pamphlet on "The Death of the Civil Rights Movement." The ad contained "Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Blacks is a Bad Idea for Blacks — and Racist Too." On the whole Horowitz's arguments against the reparations idea are powerful and well-reasoned. He shows that slavery is not comparable to the Holocaust or Japanese internment — cases where reparations have been paid. And he correctly points out that only a tiny minority of today's whites actually descend from slave owners, many in fact being descendants of immigrants, or of union soldiers who gave their lives to defeat the confederacy. Horowitz astutely criticizes the reparations idea for feeding into an ethos of grievance and victimization that only inhibits racial progress. Surely most Americans today oppose the idea of slave reparations. Can it be wrong to allow the key arguments in support of such a position to appear in print?

If there's one place where Horowitz's argument is questionable (actually, there are a couple), it is his notion that black Americans themselves benefit from the national wealth created by slavery. It seems cruel and beside the point to say that someone should be thankful for wealth created by their ancestors' enforced labor. Isn't the point of America that we place liberty above wealth or convenience? Although the majority of Horowitz's points are well-taken, I can understand someone being offended by that one. But that doesn't justify censorship, and it's a tragedy that a generation of students have forgotten, or failed to learn, the principle at stake.

If offensive arguments were outlawed, there would quickly be nothing left to say. The level of hypocrisy here on the part of the academic Left is truly breathtaking. I myself have been forced to teach the offensive works of Catherine MacKinnon in a course required of all student majors in my department, and MacKinnon is a required text on many elite campuses around the country. My male students had to endure reading the claim that they are all incipient rapists. And by the way, despite protests, no texts balancing MacKinnon's views were allowed to be assigned. Leo Bersani, a radical gay theorist at UC Berkeley, has described with bemused pleasure the way in which Berkeley's humanities departments have virtually merged into a single gay and lesbian studies program, with liberal straights attending lecture after lecture in which their own sexual preference is stigmatized as outdated and oppressive. How comes it then, that David Horowitz cannot present his on the whole quite solid argument against slave reparations, even if a part of that argument might be considered as mistaken or offensive by some? In fact, why did he have to buy an ad at all? Why aren't his books already assigned at the university?

It only takes two words to answer that question: affirmative action. The slave-reparations idea is an extension of the basic rationale for affirmative action, and in attacking the reparations idea, Horowitz rightly takes on the larger problem of affirmative action.

After the Horowitz ad appeared, black students on campus stormed the Daily Cal's offices, destroyed papers, and intimidated staff. There followed the public apology, which essentially said, "We are terribly sorry for not censoring that ad. We promise to censor more efficiently in the future."

The comments by the aggrieved black students all struck the same note. How are we supposed to feel welcome here if such an ad can be printed? What that means is that affirmative action has created a group of students on campus on a hair trigger for feeling offended. Despite California's formal ban on affirmative action, the university continues to do its best to de-emphasize test scores and, in roundabout ways, take race into account. That keeps whites resentful and blacks insecure about their standing. So any idea that makes blacks feel "unwelcome" is attacked as racist, so as to divert from the sneaking suspicion, which preferences cannot help but create, that they don't really belong on campus to begin with.

Ah, but what about all those liberal whites? They've simply forgotten what free speech is. Is David Horowitz wrong or offensive? Then use the publication of his ideas to expose their flaws. Let Horowitz speak. Then answer him openly, forcefully, and persuasively. Or are you afraid that something Horowitz says might not be answerable? Are you afraid that affirming the principle of universal free speech might disenchant your magical world of oppressors and oppressed? Is not the very idea of reparations itself an attempt to turn a complex present into a magical world of oppressors and oppressed, gods and devils?

And to the editors of the Daily Cal, I put the following additional questions: Do you believe that your actions have facilitated or inhibited frank debate over racial issues at your university? In the wake of your actions, what Berkeley student would dare to raise his voice against affirmative action or the reparations idea in any class discussion? Do you not see that preventing such expressions of opinion was the very purpose of those who stormed the Daily Cal? Does it bother you to think that racial issues can now be more easily and honestly debated on Crossfire, The Capital Gang, The McLaughlin Group, The Spin Room, or Hardball than on the flagship campus of the University of California? Would you want to attend a university that refused to make available to you the best arguments on all sides of controversial questions? Would you stand up to unjust demands for censorship by African American or Hispanic students every bit as firmly as you would oppose unjust demands for censorship from your own university's administration? Would anything less be racist?

116 posted on 12/22/2001 4:57:37 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Most of the anti-war protests attributed to UC Berkeley were actually conducted by non-students, many out-of-towners. I am defending UC Berkeley because I am quite familiar with it and would like to see it treated fairly. When I was there there were radical, liberal, conservative and far-right professors: e.g., Jensen, Teller... Most of the posts here who mention UC Berkeley disparage the University but offer no specifics...sort like maintaining a bad rumor by innuendo alone. I had classes taught by two Nobel Laureates, in Physics and Chemistry, and all things considered it is a superb graduate institution that does not indoctrinate according to political philosophy.
117 posted on 12/22/2001 5:05:37 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Always Right
The recent activities of the Daily Cal is, IMHO, despicable. I think they have been taken over by a group with a narrow mission. It is also antithetical to the gains made there by the Free Speech movement of Mario Salvo. The other recent fiasco there was the anti-terrorist war action of the city council, not the University. The other anti-war sentiment was that against the Viet Nam War, a war that we should have never entered in the first place.
118 posted on 12/22/2001 5:16:49 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
bump to get this going for the day shift

Remember, I'm looking for as many SPECIFICS -- course names, professors, names, dates, places -- as I can get.

119 posted on 12/22/2001 6:12:44 AM PST by IronJack
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To: ScholarWarrior
Send me FRmail with your e-mail address and I will sign you up!
120 posted on 12/22/2001 6:14:11 AM PST by diotima
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