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Curious About Freeper's Views Of Joyce Meyer
onedoug ^ | 12 DEC 2001 | onedoug

Posted on 12/21/2001 11:34:36 AM PST by onedoug

"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.

Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?

She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.

(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)

I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.

...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.

In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!


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To: Matchett-PI, ALL
Go to the sources of the so called accused and see for yourselves. The salvation Copeland teaches in his beliefs statement is scriptualy sound. Yes Matchett Christ bore sin on that cross ours to be exact about it. That alone is the reason for the words "My GOD Why has thou foresaken me?" GOD can not be in the presence of sin he turns his back to it. The Bible as well mentions or refrences hell to which he assended to preach the GOSPEL as well. I take it this teaching probably got twisted into the mess you posted.
261 posted on 12/30/2001 5:19:38 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: longleaf
At least she doesn't scream at me through the radio speaker the way Tony Evans does.

Sniff, sniff.....you said something negative about my beloved Tony Evans. I love, love, love that man. He is also a Republican and has had an influence on our Bush. We need more Black Republicans.

262 posted on 12/30/2001 5:24:52 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: Matchett-PI
Are you saying that what Copeland, Meyer, et.al., teach is dribble, or are you just admitting that you didn't know they taught such unscriptural lies?

No Matchett or is it ViVA I'm not saying that at all. I listen to Meyer today as a matter of fact. I also listened to Gerald Mann and John Hageee today as well. I bet they are on the hit list too huh? As a matter of fact I bet the diciples themselves could not meet the standards being set here as they were not in agreement on many matters if you know the Bible you realize as much. They did agree however on Salvation through Christ just as Meyers and Copeland as well believe.

263 posted on 12/30/2001 5:25:16 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: nicmarlo
"he is saying that she is not to speak in tongues in the church."

HUH?? Where did you get that?? What Paul was talking about was the the WIVES (not women in general), were not to speak to their husbands in church. A little study of the original church would explain what Paul was saying. The original church had sections separated across from each other. The Jews still practice this today - separating the men and women in church. Because the WIVES were sitting across the isle from their husbands, they would stand up and begin yelling at their husbands - you know - about housekeeping stuff. Paul got upset at them, and told the WIVES to be silent while they were in church.

I speak in tongues in my church - and so does the majority of my congregation. To say women are not allowed to do this is just plain ignorant.

264 posted on 12/30/2001 5:43:56 PM PST by Sueann
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To: nicmarlo; onedoug; the_doc; Jerry_M; Old Glory; ethannorth; all
"...you have already aligned yourself with Viva La Homeschool, who is way off base."

In no way have I aligned myself with Viva La Homeschool, whom I KNOW is way off base. How you inexplicably jumped to that conclusion is laughable.

In fact I would advise her to read a book by John Piper and Wayne Grudem entitled, "Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood" - "A Response to Evangelical Feminism", if she's interested in seeing how proper hermeneutics (methodological principles of Biblical interpretation) are applied when reading Scriptures like the ones she cites.

BTW - If you don't believe that Joyce Meyer believes and teaches what I mentioned (tip of the heretical & aberrant iceberg) in my reply #251, then ask her. While you're at it, you might want to ask her if she still has that "demon of lust" --- that pesky "generational spirit" --- that has been in her family for YEARS!!! Hahahahahaha.

265 posted on 12/30/2001 5:45:46 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Sueann
"he is saying that she is not to speak in tongues in the church." HUH?? Where did you get that?? What Paul was talking about was the the WIVES (not women in general), were not to speak to their husbands in church.

And where, may I ask, did you get that? Paul was talking about the gift of prophecy, that there must be order regarding the gift of tongues. Where did you get that he jumped from speaking in tongues to talking about housework or whatever? Read the whole chapter 14 of Corinthians, it's about spiritual gifts and exercising those gifts in public worship.

266 posted on 12/30/2001 6:01:10 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Matchett-PI
If you don't believe that Joyce Meyer believes and teaches what I mentioned (tip of the heretical & aberrant iceberg) in my reply #251, then ask her.

No. I shall ask you, again, YOU PROVE by quoting her, in her own words, the claims you have made against her. YOU show me what, exactly, she has said that is not scriptural.

267 posted on 12/30/2001 6:04:14 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: cva66snipe
Just because people use "god-talk" and Christian terminology like believing in "salvation through Christ", etc., is meaningless if they're talking about a different Jesus, etc. than you think they are.

I already told you that those people teach a different Jesus and a different gospel and the whole book of Jude warns you about them.

It is up to you to INFORM yourself about what the essential (core / cardinal) doctrines are that constitute the "Christian" faith. (Hint: You will find them summed up in the creeds. And make sure you carefully read the Athanasius Creed, for instance, because it leaves lying false teachers no room to be able to twist *who* the Triune God is; One What and Three Whos.)

If one steps outside those essentials and teaches something else (like Meyer, et.al.), then one has stepped outside the Christian faith. One is no longer talking about the "Christian" faith, in that case.

You can easily find the creeds that "sum up Christianity" by going to google .... IF you're reeeeally interested. I'm not your mother, so won't do it for you. :D

268 posted on 12/30/2001 6:05:50 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: nicmarlo
"he is saying that she is not to speak in tongues in the church."

I got that from your post! Yes, Paul was talking about speaking in tongues in the church - but it had nothing whatsoever to do with WOMEN not being allowed to speak in tongues in church!! That's an ignorant statement and it is not what Paul said nor is it what he meant!!

You can put any kind of spin you want on it - but the statement I quoted is not a correct interpretation of what the Bible says.

269 posted on 12/30/2001 6:09:24 PM PST by Sueann
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To: Sueann
Sorry, ma'am, but it ain't my spin. I got it from J. Vernon McGee, a former pastor and formerly internationally recognized Bible preacher, Thru the Bible teacher, nationally syndicated radio. He's pretty sound doctrine-wise as far as I'm concerned. And his explanation for that statement "women shall not speak in church" sound more plausible than old Viva's who's parroting that women should basically shut up period.
270 posted on 12/30/2001 6:19:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Well, if women shall not speak in church, can you explain to me why Jesus would select a WOMAN to start a church?? When Jesus spoke to the woman at the well, and told her what HE knew about her life, she went into the village and gathered all the people to hear HIM. I'm sure the scripture says she started a church in her home.

You see, the two don't agree - if you say women can't speak in church, and then have Jesus approach women to start a church. The two are opposed to each other. And ... I am very confident Paul did not teach anything which was contrary to what Jesus wanted him to teach.

271 posted on 12/30/2001 6:25:39 PM PST by Sueann
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To: nicmarlo
"..YOU show me what, exactly, she has said that is not scriptural."

Apparently you have a hard time understanding what you read, or else you didn't closely read what I posted in reply #251. I can only assume you are an emotion-driven person who refuses to believe anything he doesn't want to believe.

I'm not your mother. If you want to know if what I'm telling you about Meyer's beliefs are true, you will make an effort to find out. If not, you won't.

But if you do decide to ask her, don't forget to ask her to tell you about that demon of lust that she says has been in her family for GENERATIONS. I wonder how many helful souls have tried to "help her" get rid of it. Hahahaha.

272 posted on 12/30/2001 6:27:52 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
Are you allowed to sing Amazing Grace or is it forbidden as well? After all the man that wrote it was the Captain of a slave trading ship. Or have you sang I saw the Light? Written by a rowdy drunk who abandoned his family? Think those who followed Christ were Saints? Was King David? Noah? Abraham? Jacob? Think again. Fishermen, tax collector, political zealots, and later a man who gave his approval to the stoning of such as Stephen. Yea it seems GOD uses those who have fallen short of the mark to the Glory of his name. Joyce Meyer makes no secret of her rebellions that we are all subject too. She as well makes no secret of the battle to overcome them. But she teaches overcoming them through faith and obiedence to GOD.

I've even heard some rumors on a younger John Hagee as well. So are they true or not? I don't care myself he like me is forgiven even if it is true. So who is preaching the real factual scriptures anyway? Most likely those with degrees and knowledge of Hebrew, Greek and Latin actually. It's just like the age old King James Bible arguement. By the time it was written the scriptures were translated perhaps in a 1000 different languages and versions.

I prefer myself to listen to many different messages. Just as I used to read perhaps 3 translations of the Bible as well. Strange enough they all had the same basic message of salvation through Christ. Not strange actually as the Gospel has remained intact for 2000 years and the Books of Moses perhaps 3500 years. Despite man and his legalism the message remains.

Oh BTW as for "Demon of lust" wanna discuss David and Solomon as well? Yea they had as much still they were used as messengers of GOD and they were most of the time far out of the scriptures of their day. In short you forget grace and add conditions and straight and narrow interpitations that no one can endure. I challange you to name me one preacher on this earth without fault. There is none.

I'm grounded deep enough in my faith I can except differences in persons beliefs and understand that to undermine them is more damaging than the beliefs themself to the person. What I can not stand is someone who tries to CONVERT others from the beliefs GOD has placed on their heart. Namely ones who say that unless they interpit scripture **** as they do then they are going to hell. It not only ridiclous it's Biblically wrong.

273 posted on 12/30/2001 6:28:24 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Matchett-PI
"..YOU show me what, exactly, she has said that is not scriptural."

Apparently you have a hard time understanding what you read, or else you didn't closely read what I posted in reply #251. I can only assume you are an emotion-driven person who refuses to believe anything he doesn't want to believe.

I'm not your mother. If you want to know if what I'm telling you about Meyer's beliefs are true, you will make an effort to find out. If not, you won't.

Now your going from attacking Joyce Meyer to attacking me and being silly, to boot. I read your claims. You refute my claims, but I'm not attacking Joyce Meyer, you are. All I've read are your comments about Joyce Meyer nothing that Joyce Meyer has said. YOU haven't backed any of your claims with any proof, just your own allegations and now accusations about me, whom you don't know.

274 posted on 12/30/2001 6:32:04 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Sueann
Well, if women shall not speak in church, can you explain to me why Jesus would select a WOMAN to start a church?? When Jesus spoke to the woman at the well, and told her what HE knew about her life, she went into the village and gathered all the people to hear HIM. I'm sure the scripture says she started a church in her home.

You see, the two don't agree - if you say women can't speak in church.

I DID NOT SAY women cannot speak in church. The argument in most of this thread has been with Viva, who said women are not supposed to teach or preach in church because Paul says: "Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak." I said that Paul is referring to spiritual gifts ONLY in this chapter and that he was saying women should not speak in tongues at church.

275 posted on 12/30/2001 6:36:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Matchett-PI
I don't know anything about Joyce Meyer, but I am not favorably impressed with the Word of Faith movement.
276 posted on 12/30/2001 6:42:57 PM PST by the_doc
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To: nicmarlo; Matchett-PI
I notice that you are complaining about ad hominem stuff--with unsupported claims and the like--but I also notice that you made an unsupported claim that Matchett-PI is aligned with Viva La Homeschool.

We need to cool off, I think.

277 posted on 12/30/2001 6:49:42 PM PST by the_doc
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To: Matchett-PI
And since I have not heard her utter from her own mouth, words that are contrary to scripture, nor can you prove that she has ever uttered anything contrary to what is scriptural, I will continue to listen to her and will not go on the witch hunting that you propose.

As far as the sins of her family "for generations" or her past forgiven sins, Jesus is her Lord and Savior and God has forgiven all her sins, and they are as from as the East is from the West to Him, just as are mine. Thanks be to my Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom I am saved by grace. And you are being more than an ugly little person.

278 posted on 12/30/2001 6:51:05 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
"Paul says: 'Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak.' I said that Paul is referring to spiritual gifts ONLY in this chapter and that he was saying women should not speak in tongues at church."

Okay - lets take a look at what Paul said, "let the wives keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak". You see, the word is WIVES not WOMEN. Paul was talking about WIVES spending too much time trying to discuss household things with their husbands during church.

Secondly, even if Paul was referring to spiritual gifts, he was not in any way saying WOMEN should not be allowed to speak in tongues in the church. Besides, the other reason Paul was hesitant about wives having any influence in the church was because most of the wives of the Corinthian churches had just come out from another religion, "the worship of the Goddess Diana". Paul did not want them to be allowed to teach or have any authority in the church because they were such new Christians and Paul didn't want them confusing the message with the Goddess Diana stuff.

As for authority for what I'm telling you, I got my informaton from Brother Hagin - who has been in ministry for over 60 years. He built Rhema Bible Training Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I don't know when he started the school, but it gets bigger and bigger each year. I would trust what Brother Hagin says over a lot of people. You can go to the Rhema web site and find Brother Hagin's books there. He wrote a book called, "The Woman Question". You might find it enlightening.

279 posted on 12/30/2001 6:55:38 PM PST by Sueann
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To: the_doc;Matchett-PI
I also notice that you made an unsupported claim that Matchett-PI is aligned with Viva La Homeschool.

His post 251 link ["She's teaching sounding doctrine". See HERE] brought me to post 201, which is Viva's. Why would I not assume he aligns himself with her? I have not made any unprovoked ad hominem attacks ("ugly little person" is the extent of my guilt); the same cannot be said of Mr. Matchett.

280 posted on 12/30/2001 6:59:39 PM PST by nicmarlo
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