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Are you allowed to sing Amazing Grace or is it forbidden as well? After all the man that wrote it was the Captain of a slave trading ship. Or have you sang I saw the Light? Written by a rowdy drunk who abandoned his family? Think those who followed Christ were Saints? Was King David? Noah? Abraham? Jacob? Think again. Fishermen, tax collector, political zealots, and later a man who gave his approval to the stoning of such as Stephen. Yea it seems GOD uses those who have fallen short of the mark to the Glory of his name. Joyce Meyer makes no secret of her rebellions that we are all subject too. She as well makes no secret of the battle to overcome them. But she teaches overcoming them through faith and obiedence to GOD.

I've even heard some rumors on a younger John Hagee as well. So are they true or not? I don't care myself he like me is forgiven even if it is true. So who is preaching the real factual scriptures anyway? Most likely those with degrees and knowledge of Hebrew, Greek and Latin actually. It's just like the age old King James Bible arguement. By the time it was written the scriptures were translated perhaps in a 1000 different languages and versions.

I prefer myself to listen to many different messages. Just as I used to read perhaps 3 translations of the Bible as well. Strange enough they all had the same basic message of salvation through Christ. Not strange actually as the Gospel has remained intact for 2000 years and the Books of Moses perhaps 3500 years. Despite man and his legalism the message remains.

Oh BTW as for "Demon of lust" wanna discuss David and Solomon as well? Yea they had as much still they were used as messengers of GOD and they were most of the time far out of the scriptures of their day. In short you forget grace and add conditions and straight and narrow interpitations that no one can endure. I challange you to name me one preacher on this earth without fault. There is none.

I'm grounded deep enough in my faith I can except differences in persons beliefs and understand that to undermine them is more damaging than the beliefs themself to the person. What I can not stand is someone who tries to CONVERT others from the beliefs GOD has placed on their heart. Namely ones who say that unless they interpit scripture **** as they do then they are going to hell. It not only ridiclous it's Biblically wrong.

Re: #273: You seem very confused.

What does the biblical doctrine of grace extended by the ONE True God have to do with the UNbiblical teachings of false teachers like Meyer, Hagee, et.al., who don't even believe in that God?

They teach a "different" God.

Since you don't choose to believe me, and refuse to look into it, I'll provide some links for some others reading this who may want to find out. Here are links to those who take God's admonition seriously when he tells his followers, through Jude, to defend the faith and expose false teachers in order to protect the flock of God. This should get you started:

THE PREACHER WHO DOESN’T TELL IT LIKE IT IS - THE TRUTH TWISTING AND TALL TALES OF JOYCE MEYER

The Christian Arsenal - What is a False Prophet?

Joyce Meyer and Word of Faith