Posted on 11/19/2001 3:41:35 PM PST by Sabramerican
Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe
By Judy Siegel
JERUSALEM (November 20) - Genetic evidence continues to provide additional proof to the claims that the Jewish people are descended from a common ancient Israelite father: Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
They also proved that Sephardi Jews are very close genetically to the Jews of Kurdistan, and only slight differences exist between these two groups and Ashkenazi Jews from Europe.
These conclusions are reached in an article published recently in the American Journal of Human Genetics and written by Prof. Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University (HU) and Hadassah-University Hospital in Ein Kerem.
Others involved are German doctoral student Almut Nebel, Dr. Marina Faerman of HU, Dr. Dvora Filon of Hadassah-University Hospital, and other colleagues from Germany and India.
The researchers conducted blood tests of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish Jews and examined their Y chromosomes, which are carried only by males. They then compared them with those of various Arab groups - Palestinians, Beduins, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese - as well as to non-Arab populations from Transcaucasia - Turks, Armenians and Moslem Kurds.
The study is based on 526 Y chromosomes typed by the Israeli team and additional data on 1,321 individuals from 12 populations. The typing of the Jewish groups was performed at the National Genome Center at HU's Silberman Institute of Life Sciences.
The Fertile Crescent of the Middle East was one of the few centers in which the transition from hunting-gathering to permanent settlement and agriculture took place. Genetic studies suggest that migrating Neolithic farmers dispersed their technological innovations and domesticated animals from the Middle East towards Europe, North Africa and Southwest Asia.
Studies of Y chromosomes have become powerful tools for the investigation of the genetic history of males, since these chromosomes are transmitted from fathers to sons.
Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs. These findings are consistent with known cultural links that existed among populations in the Fertile Crescent in early history, and indicate that the Jews are direct descendants of the early Middle Eastern core populations, which later divided into distinct ethnic groups speaking different languages.
Previous investigations by the HU researchers suggested a common origin for Jewish and non-Jewish populations living in the Middle East. The current study refines and delineates that connection.
It is believed that the majority of today's Jews - not including converts and non-Jews with whom Jews intermarried - descended from the ancient Israelis that lived in the historic Land of Israel until the destruction of the Second Temple and their dispersal into the Diaspora.
The researchers say that a genetic analysis of the chromosomes of Jews from various countries show that there was practically no genetic intermixing between them and the host populations among which they were scattered during their dispersion - whether in Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal or North Africa.
A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE. to the area known today as Kurdistan, located in Northern Iraq, Iran and Eastern Turkey. They continued to live there as a separate entity until their immigration to Israel in the 1950s. The Kurdish Jews of today show a much greater affinity to their fellow Jews elsewhere than to the Kurdish Moslems.
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Afrikaaners live at a latitude where "light" skin can be maintained - they are hardly Central Africans.
The vitamin D thing kept human beings from living North of the 30th parallel until they had developed a way to acquire sufficient Vitamin D from a very, very, very extensive fish diet. Eskimos are among those who developed such a diet - including the eating of raw sea mammal livers - a major source of Vitamin D. Quite possibly their darker skinned offspring didn't die in infancy from rickets. As far as Arawaks being lighter than Central Africans, it is suggested that the Arawaks are recent arrivals to their present territory, plus they, like all other persons of predominantly American Indian ancestry, are of mixed European/Indian descent.
Again, there's a lot of this stuff on the net.
If Cohenim took African wives the Cohen gene (which must be some powerful gene) would be there but the descendants would not be considered Jews... by other Jews.
"The vitamin D thing kept human beings from living North of the 30th parallel until they had developed a way to acquire sufficient Vitamin D from a very, very, very extensive fish diet."
Fine, let's look at somebody else. The descendants of the Spaniards and other Europeans in the tropics in places like Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico or Peru have lived there for as long as 500 years. They have maintained their light skin.
If what you say is true then you are saying that Jews do not admit converts? For example, if I decided to convert to Judaism I would never be accepted as a real Jew?
What if a Cohen Jew married a black African woman. And then his son married a black woman and then his son married a black woman and this one's son married a black woman. But then suppose that this last one's son married a Jewish woman with pure Jewish lineage... It's a little convoluted but you could get an individual with the Cohen gene with a direct Jewish line on the mother's side that had a lot of non-Jewish ancestors and who physically looked Negroid.
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that maybe they didn't convert?
If the women did not convert then that would tend to imply that the Lemba Jews are of Jewish ancestry through both the maternal and paternal lines. If so then this has to be reconciled with the claim that the Ashkenazic Jews are pure on both the maternal and paternal lines. The Lemba and the Ashkenazim cannot both be 100% pure genetic Jews on both the maternal and paternal lines.
I think the case of the Lemba serves to prove my case that there has been mixing among Jewish populations in general. The Lemba have the highest degree of purity in the Cohen priestly gene. If blacks can have the highest degree of purity in this priestly Y-chromosome gene then I can see no other possible choice but to conclude that there actually has been quite a bit of mixing between Jews and the people amongst which they live with the end result that Jews tend to resemble the populations amongst which they live. If Jewish immigrants mixed with blacks in Africa so as to produce a population of Negroid Jews then surely a similar process may also have happened in Europe and elsewhere. At the same time, the genetic evidence shows that Jews also do have some genetic commonalities among them. But there also has been mixing.
A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE.
They were either descendents of the northern Ten Tribes (Israel) or the southern kingdom (Judea) by Judah or Benjamin, and hence, Jews.
I have no idea to what you are referring. If we are speaking of the same group, all I heard is that they have the gene of the Cohanim.
I have written above, that it is possible that there are people all over who are of Jewish decent and don't even know of their ancestors. I would guess there would be many such types from Spanish and Italian backgrounds. That is not the issue. If those people find that they are Jews and want to identify with the Jewish people, they are welcome.
The issue is the direct decent of today's Jews from their distant ancestors.
It ain't bullshit, but it ain't what the arabs claim it is either. There is major evidence to support the theory that the Khazars were remnants of the ten tribes carried off by the Assyrians.
What I am saying is that the Lemba and the Ashkenazim cannot both be 100% pure Jews. What is your answer to that? Are you saying that the Lemba are not really Jews because their maternal line is not Jewish? What is your answer to this question that I raise?
Assumimg you're a male, you can have a child who is "100% pure Jewish": if you define Jewish as being fully accepted as a Jew in a minyan (prayer service) or for any other reason by other Jews.
The issue here, again, is not who is Jewish. The issue is whether I, or other Jews,are direct descendants of the Jews you read about in the Bible.
This is not exactly the Khazar claim. The Khazar claim is that about the year 1,000 there were a Turkic-Slavic people living in what is now south Russia. They were pagans. Their king decided he wanted a monotheistic religion. He invited a Muslim, a Jew and Christian to try to chose one of them. Supposedly, in the end, he chose Judaism by sort of throwing the dice. Supposedly then the people had to convert to Judaism. Supposedly some Jewish men also went to live among the Khazars and intermarried. The claim then is that the Ashkenazim are descended from the Khazars.
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