BLACK FLAGS of Islam -- Portents of the Imam al-Mahdi?

Various | 10/28/2001 | Sabertooth, others

[Sabertooth]

Black Flags of Islam   Portents of the Imam al-Mahdi, the Moslems' prophesied deliverer of Jerusalem?
from Diane Alden… Afghanistan has special significance to the world of militant Islam. It was once called Khurasan, along with parts of Iran and Pakistan. Muhammad said: "If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan, join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for that is the army of the Imam al-Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem." That is one reason Osama bin Laden chose it as his base, or al-Qaida. Mohammed's Prophecies of the Imam al-Mahdi Will Osama Appear In Pakistan? Be vigilant for jihadin carrying black flags.
On the wall behind this black-masked Hamas terrorist is a poster of Osama bin Laden. Note the two black flags around the poster. Anyone have a translation of the Arabic on the poster, or know just which black flags these are?
Palestinian boys tag along with a Hamas member at a recent funeral procession in Bethlehem. Photo taken 2001	Hamas demonstration -- Black Flags
Islamic Jihad funeral procession, with black flags. AP Photo -- Feb 2001	An Islamic Jihad demonstration Friday in Gaza drew Palestinian youngsters, shown holding grenades and wearing mock explosives. The Palestinian Authority, meanwhile, issued an unprecedented call for restraint in the 10 months of Mideast Violence. The Associated Press -- 10/26/2001
Lebanese protesters wave Hezbollah flags on Israel border. Eyal Warshavsky / Associated Press -- 05/26/00	> Lebanese villagers wave red and black Hezbollah flags. Hundreds of civilians returned to their villages in Israeli-occupied southern Lebanon. Mohammed Zatari / Associated Press -- 05/23/2000
Palestinian members of the Popular Front fot the Liberation of Palestine hang black flags and a picture of their leader Abu Ali Mustafa who was "assassinated" by Israel in Gazaon Monday. --Reuters photo -- Tuesday, August 28, 2001	A black flag amidst red at a Hamas demonstration.
Black Afghan Flag 1901-1919 Flag (Amir Habibullah)	Black Afghan Flag 1919-1928 Flag (Amir/King Amanullah)
The flag of Afghanistan changes often. Twice in the 20th Century, Afghanistan (Khurasan) has had a black flag.
The flag of Taliban Afghanistan. Black Arabic script on white. Translations, anyone?
An undated photo of Osama bin Laden inside Afghanistan. Behind him is a Black Taliban Flag with white script.
"If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan (Afghanistan), join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for that is the army of the Imam al-Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem."

[Sabertooth]

The Raya of the Messenger was a piece of black wool with the words "La Illaha Illa Allah Muhammadur Rasul Allah" also written across it. Therefore, the Liwaa is a white flag with black inscription, and the Raya is a black flag with white inscription.

So, this is the Raya behind bin Laden in the last pic?

Is there any significance (besides the prophecy of the Imam al-Mahdi) to the Raya vs, the Liwaa?

Either way, sems like a plausibel banner for rabid Moslem hordes assemble beneath while marching to Jerusalem.

[AmericanVictory]

When the forces in the Sudan led by the Mahdi captured the fort at Khartoum and captured General Gordon, the hated one to them, they thought that they had seen the fulfillment of the prophecy. But not too long thereafter came Lord Kitchener with the Maxim guns and mowed them down by the thousands. It is our better technology that they still resent and they think now, with the oil weapon and its wealth, they have captured it. Time to prove them wrong and take away the oil weapon dramatically. We also will see a better weapon than we have now, more superior than the Maxim gun was to the rifle. It is not the technology which they have stolen that counts, it is freeing the inventors to invent that which will give us the victory, or more accurately bringing swiftly into play that which they have already invented.

[tim politicus]

This is one of the great threads. What a find. Thankyou.

In Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations he really makes the case that we are entering an extented era where culture will struggle against culture. However, since he makes it clear that culture is defined more by religion than anything else, he is really talking about a world where, instead of ideological conflict, religion will struggle against religion.

Lord of the Rings? Lord of the Cross? Isn't all fantasy literature, all mythic literature, essentially a religious attempt?

[Sabertooth]

The basic conclusion we reached was that it is highly possible Bin Laden thinks himself to be the mahdi, and if he does, he will probably announce it fairly soon...probably after a big event. At that time, we'll know for sure just how loony Osama truly is.

Bin Laden's a classic megalomaniac. His psychopathologies make comparisons to Hitler not unwarranted.

Click the book for the link.

[onyx]

Excellent work! Bookmarked. Your considerable time and effort is much appreciated! No spanking for you.

[Sabertooth]

Thank you for one of the great compliments.

I've posted on Huntington a few times.

Is it History's `End' or `Clash of Civilizations?"

Berlusconi backs western civilization

I think he's rather understated...

This is the Cataclysm of Civilizations.

[Sabertooth]

Your considerable time and effort is much appreciated! No spanking for you.

That's "appreciated?!"

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[headsonpikes]

Interesting thread. Thanks for the effort!

History never quits!

[onyx]

BTTT

[rebdov]

Black Flag? How about RAID?

[Sabertooth]

It is our better technology that they still resent and they think now, with the oil weapon and its wealth, they have captured it. Time to prove them wrong and take away the oil weapon dramatically.

Something else we need to keep out of the hands of Osama bin Laden...

The 40 or so Nuclear Weapons in Pakistan

[onyx]

BTTT

[cardinal4]

Good point,Ive thought that also.

[jrewingjr]

Here's my black flag for the war with Achmed.

Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." — H.L. Mencken 1880-1956

[lavaroise]

There will never be peace as long as children make demands for adults. WE ARE EVIL TO SUPPORT PALESTINIAN YOUTH UPRISING, AKIN TO SUPPORTING POL POT AND THE KHMER ROUGE!

It's time we put adults in charge. And Bush can go to hell when he asks that US children reach out to muslims. MY CHILD IS NOT HIS PR SOLDIER TO BE BLOWN UP TO BITS FOR HIS PR PEACE!

[lavaroise]

Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." — H.L. Mencken 1880-1956

Indeed, let us put the men in charge, not women, let alone children. What the f7ck is going on indeed? Are people missing Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge?

[SauronOfMordor]

Do you ever get the feeling we're living in "The Lord of the Rings?"

Even in the Lord of the Rings, the forces of Mordor mainly concerned themselves with battle, not gratuitous slaughter of civilians.

Bin Laden would have been expelled even from there. (I should know)

[wita]

In your* post, there are a great many general pronouns that ought to be specific pronouns, but I like what I see. Mr Benjamin N. the ex prime minister of Israel, talks of the training schools for these future walking time bombs. That Arab, or Muslim or Islamic moms willingly send their children to them for such training and indoctrination at very young ages.

*Very specific pronoun.

Somehow I feel the Israelis have a more realistic idea of what the future holds before "Peace In Our Time", becomes a reality. Which makes the plaintive cries of certain of our countrymen calling for Israel to back off and back out of incursions into Palestinian lands, seem somewnat stupid in the face of what they* face.

*Very Israel specific pronoun.

[MomwithHope]

Thanks for the ping, great post. Keep up the good work.