Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Actually, no I didn't infer it. You're taking my statement as a leap away from organization - You made that leap not I. Teachers and preachers exist for a reason. They are not lords over us though - nor are they supposed to be. They are supposed to be workers for the lord acting as shepherds until the sheep know enough to be shepherds themselves. From thence onward, they are meant to fellowship and work together for the congregation. That is where it ends. The Lord is the leader - Not any man lest he boast and make of himself a lord - that men should kiss his feet, bow and adore him as though he were God.
Do I consider myself a prophet - No. I'm a born again believer with Christ in me. My life is intended to be a service to the Lord and to my fellow man. Just as yours is supposed to be. I take it seriously. I take seriously the charge that we are to be duplicates of the Lord. I take seriously the obedience to the law and the commandments. I take seriously all that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord. Obedience and being in the will of the Lord is a requirement and you are nothing without them. One must first know what he is saying, and to do that you must know him. It all works together and has to be mixed with faith, which only comes from God. I'm dependant upon God for every breath. Every day I work, I have to thank Him and do my best to work as to Him. And none of this to glorify myself. I don't ask people to follow my example, I tell them they are supposed to follow the example I follow - the life of Jesus. If I boast it will be about the Lord, I have nothing of myself to boast about save Him.
Anything else?
That's why the Catholic Church continues to have councils. Since you want to split hairs, after the last Apostle died, when did your Church convene a council and where can I read about it?
No. I appreciate your heartfelt and sincere response. However, I must ask you. Do you consider you are being of service to the Lord and to your fellow man with all of your disparaging comments on Catholicism?
Your "truth" is a fable - an RC fable; i.e., You are delusional!
Read it and weep - ALL early Christians and Nazarenes were (cover your ears, Soothing Dave, :) - BAPTISTS!!! Your Catholic(sic) sect did not begin until about 250 A.D.
No matter how many times you try to contradict it, it is still the TRUTH!!!
Knowing God's word, I speak God's word and with authority. The knowing makes all the difference. If I speak that which the Lord spoke, is it less the word of the Lord or more the word of me? The Word of the Father is the Word of the Father. Whether I state them, Jesus states them or a moose states them changes not one iota of their meaning or intent. One can twist and turn the words to mean what they wish them to mean, it does not change what they truly say. And that which was said *will* judge you in the end. It's not a maybe, you have a rondezvous with the word of God. It will judge you in the end. So, you can deny it now and comfort yourself in carnal twisties or you can own up to it and live by what will judge you.
You can tear me down; but, the Lord will lift me up in the end. But you cannot tear down the Word of the Lord. It is from everlasting to everlasting and unchanging. It did not change for Moses who was judged in his disobedience, Nor did it change for Judas who was judged in his own actions, Nor for Pilot nor for Paul who bore the word to righteousness, Nor for John the Baptist who died for the faith. Stop trying to psychoanylize me and try being like Jesus. You'll understand me faster that way!
If I am weeping it is because you believe this.
The fact that the "original" was not in Greek and that it is likely that "to lie down with another man" and "to go against nature" are probably synonymous in Hebrew was ignored by him. My further argument that in (I hope) all Christian circles, mankind is understood to be inherently sinful - in fact our "nature" IS sin - and therefore his translation would be meaningless (i.e. "for a man to not sin is an abomination") was also wasted. Evidence that even clear texts can be twisted by those with an agenda to mean the opposite of their obvious meaning.
Similarly, some have translated "I name you 'rock' and on this rock I will build my church" into "I name you 'pebble' (cause you're nothing special since the Catholics like you), and on that boulder over there I will build my Church" because it is inconvenient to accept a church built on Peter because it might support a Catholic argument.
Along these lines... 1stConman seems to think that if he says it loudly enough and often enough it becomes true. I'd love to hear where the year 250AD comes into all of this, but I think I'll let it slide.
SD, your knowledge and intelligence constantly amaze me. First, you enlightened us about the priests becoming Jesus when "hearing confessions" and administering communion.
Now, in this post we are told by you that that your "catholic"(sic) church "wrote the Scriptures!" How amazing! And all along I thought the Scriptures stated they were written by men inspired by God. (I did not know the Scriptures said the RCC was their author. Where does it say that, SD? Also, SD, where does Scripture say there was an RCC in the First Century? Thanks -:)
Careful. One of those trick questions like when the pharisees and sadduccees were trying to trip up Jesus.
Can't happen until there is no longer an Apostolic Church.
Lol. You're the 4th person he's asked today. I think Peg has received some private revelation and thinks he's on to something.
Hey Hav, I've finally figured out why Dfendr came up with this guru garbage last night. Ya ever notice the condescending tone mixed in with the mystical stuff? Reminds me of the maharashi yogi.
Did you get the impression that Kevin Smith was making fun of the "we must follow the 'spirit' of Vatican II, forget what the actual documents say" type of Catholics with his "Catholicism WOW!" plot device?
That is the way I took it and found it(the whole buddy Christ thing) quite funny for it shows, by absurdity, just how ridiculous those people are.
On a related note, did any other Catholic in here delight in the misery and gnashing of teeth that the people at the National Catholic Reporter(you know, the heretical one) and the rest of the usual suspects displayed over Liturgiam Authenticam a few months back?
If those jackasses don't like it then you can bet the farm that it is good for the Church.
Pray for John Paul II
That's a very interesting question coming from you. The pot calling the kettle black, it seems to me.
Do I detect a sense of pride when these hit men for the pope accomplish their evil deeds?
Then this one should make you especially proud, and it serves to help us understand how Muslims can be trained to kill when they are so young, they must have read Catholic history.
By control of education Jesuits were able to indoctrinate youth with hatred towards Protestants. The students who organized the pogroms defended themselves on the ground that it was their duty to destroy the Protestants just as the clergy had taught them.
I sure that God will have a very special place for these nice people.
Amazing isn't it? And Catholics can't be trusted because our documentation is bogus. Gnostic knowledge is a scary thing.
All I'm trying to do is get a straight answer. All I get is fluff.
It was some of his disciples, why didn't he correct them? I know what He said is hard saying, but if it was all metaphor why did He ask who was left if they took offense at it and if they too would go away? Peter said they wouldn't go and still Jesus did not correct them. His Flesh is food indeed and His Blood is drink indeed. You say it is all metaphor but why, do you not believe that Christ is capable of such an act? Or that it would be usless for our salvation?
I'll pray you and your wife never divorce.:-)
You got a straight answer from me. Christians have been meeting daily for close to 2,000 years now. I'm trying to find in my Bible where it says we're to convene councils and by golly I can't find it anywhere.
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