Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Hi to all the NET (Never ending Thread )folks...Is someone keeping track of thread lengths, so when it gets close to 200 you can have another renunion?
I've read it here and heard it here. I've also read the Catholic officially without error (but don't hold us to that) versions of it. It all lines up in being absolutely without sense. And it does not align with John 6. Though the Clergy of the RCC did a job of butchering an entire chapter to make it look right - there's just too much in that chapter to get around. So ignorance of the word is required. Just be quiet, read what they have to say and don't worry about any inconsistancies you may find. No need to explain, just buy it and move on. Same as everywhere else.
The truth can set you free; but, only if you are willing to read it and act on it. Scripture is just a plant stand for Catholicism. Just set something on it, as long as it looks good it works... Not in the Lord's house. Better wake up.
Your sarcasm is so enlightening! That is all you can offer - right? Well, I feel properly chastised by your overwhelming wisdom - oh "great one!"
(P.S. Please add me to your list. Thanks and God Bless.)
You mean more like the standard usage which shows a difference in meaning between hunk or slab of loose rock as opposed to bedrock or firmly grounded cliffs, mountains or sepulchres. OOPs. Cant carve a grave out of a slab there Dave. Nor is a slab big enough for oh, say a foundation.
We have to look at how the authors used the words - not how you wish they had been used. Oops, that would be a part of exegesis wouldn't it. ;) Wake up - alarm's goin off.
Mark 12 9"Therefore what will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the vinedressers, and give the vineyard to others.
10Have you not even read this Scripture:
"The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
11This was the LORD's doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes'?"
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The pebble,stone,rock debate continues while Sarah gets ready for her first day of college..she says "dad havent you figured that out yet?"* GRIN*..give pebbles a kiss for me dad!
Nice try - in fact I am astounded you were able to read all 55(?) of his letters - in Latin, no less - in such a short time.
Why do I not believe you or your sources? Hasn't Havoc commented extensively enough on the manner in which YOUR church creates documents, as needed, to establish the lengths to which YOUR church will go to promote their doctrines? Why should anyone doubt the keepers of Hosius' letters would make certain none would survive that could contradict YOUR church's beliefs?
Since we know fundamental baptists will go to any length to fabricate history (SARCASM), it would be obvious that Baptist Magazine in their May 1826 issue (CVII, p 278) made up the whole thing - NOT!
(Incidentally, my information comes from Three Witnesses for the Baptists by Curtis Pugh, published in April 1994. Your "Cardinal" Hosius is only one witness by Baptist enemies or other non-baptists as to the facts of history. That is TRUTH, oh "all-knowing and wise" Seething Dave - oops, "soothing" Dave :)
Pegleg will give you the website address - he gave it to me.
First, Jesus didn't say it was literally him in the bread and wine. Second, John 6 shows the progression in the use of metaphors to explain this - it was a spiritual metaphor of what he was about to go through. Third, Is 55:11 speaks to the fact that God's word is purposed. When he says something, it happens. That does not mean that when he uses a metaphor in explaining a point that the metaphor becomes literal. The object of the metaphor becomes literal. OOPS. He was saying that unless you believe in him and accept the sacrifice for forgiveness of sin, you cannot be saved.
Jesus Was telling it like it is. And it ruffled feathers of those who followed him and yet didn't believe him or believe in who he was. No marvel, some here do the same thing today - giving lipservice and not comprehending the meaning of his words. Ya'll have contented yourselves with the prestige of boastful men who haven't a clue and missed your God given right to the things of the Spirit and the authority of Jesus. Jesus spoke with authority and didn't pull punches. He was the Son of God and invited us to be adoptive sons of God. And ya'll marvel when someone takes him up on it and lives it. If you don't believe it, why do you claim to?
The Lord is truly Good to those who obey. The other side of that is true as well. Wake up.
I did read it and you inferred this, that's why I asked. I also wonder if you consider yourself as some type of prophet.
I retract my previous statements in their defense.... maybe Baptists are Gnostics... all this hidden knowledge stuff is getting to me.
My understanding has always been that the anabaptists get their name from their insistence in re-baptizing believers since they rejected infant Baptism. If, as you state, the anabaptists were actually there first... who performed the infant Baptism that you had to get re-baptized from? This is all very confusing... I guess it's because the non-Catholic early church history texts I read in college don't seem to agree with you (some of which were authored in S Baptist seminaries if I remember correctly).
Just as I thought, it is a conspiracy. If we made sure none of Cardinal Hosius' letters survived, how did you guys get a copy? Oh wait I know, after the Baptist Magazine got a hold of them in 1826, then we shredded them. That’s the ticket.
Pegleg will give you the website address - he gave it to me.
I got more if you want them.
Hmm... the opposite is true... "The Lord is truly Evil (or Bad?) to those who disobey"?
I'm afraid that doesn't ring true. Those who disobey (that's all of us in case you haven't finished your Protestant primer), are the ones his is most good to! You know "there is more Joy in Heaven for one lost soul" etc. The logical extension of your statement would also seem to defeat Salvation by Faith as well wouldn't it? It sounds very much like works righteousness.
Maybe you just meant it as an insult... Oh well
Does this sound familar? Lol
THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION
http://home.swbell.net/noam/polish_socinians.htm
2nd Part
In 1632 Fabian Birkowski (1566-1636), a Dominican monk, published his sermon, O egzorbitacyjach przeciwnych kosciolowi katolickiemu i stanowi duchownemu, zwlaszcza o braterstwie z niewiernymi kazanie na konfederacyjej warszawskiej pod interregnum. His opinions are in agreement with those of Jesuits Skarga, Bembus et al. The accord given to the Statutes is equal to approbation of the heresy, i.e., it is a sin and crime against God and a moral depravation. He used colorful and rude language against Protestants e.g., calling them "rabid dogs", "serpents", "dragons", "basilisks", "wolves", "bears"; Luther was "stinking rabble", "the devil incarnate", etc.
The synod convened in Piotrków in 1552 ordered all Roman Catholics to submit to a test of orthodoxy of their faith designed by Stanislaus Hosius, then Bishop of Warmia. Pope Paul IV sent his Nuncio Aloysius Lippomani who suggested the most sanguinary methods to eradicate heresy, arguing that violence was justified and recommended seizure of the leaders and their execution.
Voltaire
The Reformation, established in Poland relatively late, ca 1550, inspired the most advanced legislature in Europe of its time as regards to freedom of conscience and equality of religious denominations. However, it did not last for long since it was met with the fierce and ruthless Counter Reformation organized by the Catholic Church that succeeded in destroying the Protestant churches and eliminating religious freedoms. Just as Spain distinguished itself for expelling Jews and Moslems in 1492, so Poland has the dubious distinction for expelling some of its best sons and daughters, a group known under various names as the Polish Brethren, Antitrinitarians, Arians, Unitarians, or abroad as Socinians. This was justified to support King John Casimir's religious vow to the Holy Virgin to avenge the denial of the Divine Trinity by "heretics", an act deemed most blasphemous according to Catholic ideology.
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