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Is Islam Violent?
Chuckmorse.com ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | Chuck Morse

Posted on 10/11/2001 10:52:36 AM PDT by Chuckmorse

Is Islam Violent?

As Americans we are steeped in republican values such as limited government, individual rights, and a separation of church and state.
We traditionally view our neighbor with a live and let live attitude and, while we may not always approve, more often than not we tolerate our differences.
This is why, with all our imperfections, and God knows we have many, we somehow hold together as the most genuinely diverse society ever known to man.

As a result, we seem to have this almost myopic view of the rest of the world.
We assume that all faiths, political as well as religious, are like ours, which tends to involve a personal relationship with a God whom we look to as the creator of our natural sovereign rights.
We have trouble imagining a nation under the direct rule of clerics, or commissars, who interpret the will of God, or science, and use the muscular force of the state to carry out their interpretations.

Our nation was born after a bloody revolution against a tyrannical British monarch, King George III.
This experience imbued our founding generation with a respect for the sovereign rights of nations.
America has often championed the cause of independence from Latin America in the nineteenth century to Europe during the World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, and Kuwait.
We instinctively loathed European colonialism with its attempt to physically dominate the world.
Likewise, we as a people rejected the maniacal new world order visions of both Nazism and Communism.

While we’ve certainly had our share of imperialists operating in the inner reaches of our government and amongst a small segment of our most wealthy establishment, the American people have been notoriously opposed to world dominating schemes.
It has never been an element of our religious or political faith.
Our idea of utopia has always been to live in peace, under our proverbial fig tree, and leave our neighbor alone to peruse the same.
Jefferson expressed this best when he noted in the Declaration of Independence that the truths we hold to be self-evident are “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

The vast majority of Muslims who have settled in America have, thank God, adopted the same peaceful American faith that most of the rest of us have regardless of individual means of worshiping God or not worshiping as the case may be.
The same cannot be said of the nations of the world which are presently dominated by religious Muslims.
The religious Muslim movement, like Nazism and left-wing Communism before it, has seized the reigns of power in several sovereign states.
Like the Nazi’s and Communists, they are using that power to spread terror across the planet.

The citizens of these Islamic states chafe under the same type of brutal authoritarianism and one party religious dictatorship as Europeans suffered under Nazism or that Chinese, Cubans or North Koreans suffer under the brutal jackboot of left-wing Communism.
The mobs coursing through the streets of Islamic cities chanting anti-American slogans are the same as the Nazi brown shirts looting Jewish businesses during Kristalnacht or Communists burning and looting American inner cities during the summer of love.

Even though we may be loath to admit it, religious Islam clearly does contain seeds of violence of a type similar to that of its Nazi and Communist counterparts.
Like their counterparts, Islam advocates war, or Jihad, as a means of conquering the non-Islamic world.
Moderate Muslims have westernized the meaning of Jihad to mean peaceful personal struggle and this is a genuinely progressive development.
Like the Nazis and Communists, however, the religious Muslims believe that world peace and happiness will be obtained under what they maintain is the only true faith.
Like the Nazis and Communists, they believe that anything is permissible in the pursuit of this glorious goal including total subjugation of peoples and mass murder.

Chuck Morse Is the author of “Why I’m a Right-Wing Extremist” www.chuckmorse.com


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To: JCG
Hitler invaded Poland because he wanted a an overland link to Prussia. Stalin was posed to invade Germany one month after Hitler beat him to the punch. Stalin's forces were not in defensive positions and so were easily surrounded and cut off.

Try to get some other sourses than your HS text books.

61 posted on 11/04/2001 11:08:43 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: rightofrush
Hitler invaded Poland because he wanted a an overland link to Prussia. Stalin was posed to invade Germany one month after Hitler beat him to the punch. Stalin's forces were not in defensive positions and so were easily surrounded and cut off.

Baloney, Stalin was in no position to invade Germany or anyone else.  Russia was so weak, tiny Finland kicked their butts.  Besides, there was the August, 1939 non-agression pact -- remember that one?  And it carried a secret addendum that allowed for Stalin and Hitler to divide Poland once Hitler had invaded.  That's what happened according to my HS history books -- and every other historian known to man.

 America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America -- here

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62 posted on 11/05/2001 2:25:48 AM PST by JCG
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To: ppaul


MURDEROUS ISLAM

63 posted on 11/05/2001 2:56:24 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
England appears to have a muscular and militant Muslim element. In the U.S., this is not so much the case. What is on the rise is the flood of articles on Islam as a defective religion. In America, Islam bashing as a black religion is a curiosity to me so far, but if we continue with these reckless attacks on the entire faith well, you have to know where this is going to go. It will manifest itself in Ku Klux Klan type mob action on American mosques, and the Americans in them, by our easily motivated slow-witted crowd. - Right out of the OBL playbook. So when innocent Americans begin to die in numbers remember, I for one will not let those off so easily when you (my fellow citizens) try and put some distance between what you foment and the result. The small disclaimers at the end of these diatribes aren't going to work, namely: - of course you aren't aiming your demonizations at law-abiding, freedom-loving Americans who just happen to worship in the church of Islam, just the “ferriners”.
64 posted on 11/05/2001 3:38:38 AM PST by holman
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To: candyman34
more people have been killed because of religion than anything else

Actually, that is patently not true. Many more people have been killed in the name of Godless, atheistic Communism. Look at what the Soviets and the Chicoms have "accomplished".

Which is not to say that many evils haven't been committed "in the name of God" - they have.

65 posted on 11/05/2001 3:40:32 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: holman
Oh, you mean like THIS dazzler...oh great defender of the subslime.

Sympathizing With the Taliban

Radical Black Panther chief, and Black Muslim Leader, blames American presidents from Thomas Jefferson to George W. Bush for the Sept. 11 terror attacks


Put some ice on this b@st@rd!!!

Awfully happy ain't he?

66 posted on 11/05/2001 3:45:51 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: Austin Willard Wright
And what are you recommending? That we stick our heads in the sand and not tell the truth about islam?
67 posted on 11/05/2001 3:52:17 AM PST by Robert-J
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
That guy's no threat, unless you give a poverty pimp a platform to preach on.
68 posted on 11/05/2001 3:53:33 AM PST by holman
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To: Patria One
Weren't the British running things in Palestine at that point in time? I don't think they'd allow (much) wanton murder in their protectorate.
69 posted on 11/05/2001 4:02:41 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: holman
Zawahiri wasn't a threat either. After all, he was a doctor, a pediatrician no less. He SAVED lives, right. Except for the tens of thousands who were non-Muslim. Please give us a break with this. If you want to defend their action or nonaction, go forth and be free. But every day there is ONE more reason we know they are lying and after 50 years of it, I think we have heard them all.
70 posted on 11/05/2001 4:05:21 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: Restorer
I disagree but let's assume you are right. I'll take a five year sacrifice over trying to micromanage the Middle East on a permanent basis. What do we suggest we do about Saudi Arabia, which is *not* cooperating with providing information? Take it over?
71 posted on 11/05/2001 6:12:04 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh


Missionaries of the "Peaceful" Religion

72 posted on 11/05/2001 6:30:44 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
The funny thing about this cartoon is, you don't even realize that it is you behind the mask.

go look in the mirror (ha!), pilgrim. That's you with the sword in your hand.

You are your own worst enemy.

73 posted on 11/05/2001 6:51:15 AM PST by holman
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To: Chuckmorse
There was a time in the history of Christianity when radical Christian extremists invaded the newly created Muslim world and tried to forcibly convert them or kill them - and get lots of booty at the same time. They were called the Crusades

The Muslim religion is about the same age that Christianity was during the Crusades, and the religion seems to be at that same point in it's evolution. Now, Muslim extremists are invading the non-Muslim world and forcibly converting non-Muslims or killing them - and getting lots of booty along the way. These people call their modern Crusades a jihad, but a an apple called by any other name is still an apple.

Both versions of these Crusadors, both Christian and Muslim, have one thing in common: certain extremist elements are interpreting their holy books in a way that they feel justifies mass murder - and getting lots of booty.

Is Islam peaceful? Most Muslims want peace. They interpret the Qu-ran in a way that does not justify mass-murder, just like many Christian sects.

So, Islam in general is peaceful, just like Christianity in general is peaceful. There will always be greedy, very unpeaceful psychopaths who interpret their religious texts in a way that they feel allows them to murder and plunder with impunity.

74 posted on 11/05/2001 6:56:54 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Chuckmorse
Is the Pope Catholic?
75 posted on 11/05/2001 7:11:06 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: cake_crumb
There was a time in the history of Christianity when radical Christian extremists invaded the newly created Muslim world and tried to forcibly convert them or kill them - and get lots of booty at the same time. They were called the Crusades

This is pure, unadulterated bullsh*t.

76 posted on 11/05/2001 7:17:22 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
"This is pure, unadulterated bullsh*t."

No, it isn't. It's history. The Crusades lasted from the 11th through 13th centuries AD. The reason was to wrest back Christian territory conquered by the Turks.

In 1095, Pope Urban II called for the first Crusade. The Crusades were successful in that they won back a lot of Christian holy sites as well as land, and in the end, the Crusades were ultimately responsible for supplanting midaevil feudalism with a system based on commerce. Jerusalem was one of the cities freed. So, good things came from the Crusades as well.

However, as with all human endeavors, human greed played a big part in them too. Not everyone was interested in rescuing Christian holy sites. During the second Crusade, in 1144, Conrad III, the Holy Roman Emporer, and King Louis VII of France were so busy quarreling amongst themselves that the Second Crusade was a miserable failure. Even Bernard, Abbot of Clairxaux, said in the army of Crusaders, thieves and murderers outnumbered the men of God.

Islamic extremists are using events of a thousand years ago to conduct their modern Crusades. Hey, they're the ones always bringing up the crusade. The Crusades are one of bin Ladens pet rants. He even referred repeatedly to the people of present day Western civilization as "the Crusaders".

It's these modern, Islamic Crusaders I was referring to as being unpeaceful, as opposed to the plain old, regular old Muslims who live pretty normal lives, like getting to work on time, paying the bills, what do I want for supper, and getting the kids off to school. Those people, the regular Muslim Joes, are generally peaceful.

77 posted on 11/05/2001 7:52:45 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: ppaul
Yeah, and "that was then, This is now"!!

And "two wrongs don't make a right"!!

islam/muslims SUCK!!

78 posted on 11/05/2001 7:57:38 AM PST by timestax
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To: ppaul
Yeah, and "that was then, This is now"!!

And "two wrongs don't make a right"!!

islam/muslims SUCK!!

Ship them all out of USA, and let NO more in!!

79 posted on 11/05/2001 7:58:41 AM PST by timestax
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To: JCG
Baloney, Stalin was in no position to invade Germany or anyone else. Russia was so weak, tiny Finland kicked their butts.

Look up reviews of Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War? by Vickto Suvorov, Soviet Staff Officer.
As for Finland, Check out a pre-1938 and post-1939 maps of Finland.

As for your history books, ask any son of the South about the accuracy of historical accounts by the winners.

80 posted on 11/05/2001 9:23:13 AM PST by rightofrush
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