Posted on 09/30/2001 11:55:21 AM PDT by Quix
Happily, it seems most Freepers do not find
this lunacy their cuppa, either. I feel it is
my duty, however, to try and rescue my
brothers and sisters from the rank putresence
of a rotting frontal lobe. It's nasty work, but
someone's gotta do it.
The post very much has overtones of "End times" destruction. For example:
"And the Spirit of the Lord says, when that happens, there will be an invasion of my blood into the territories that would never be holy, but shall become holy.
This happens in revelation and revelation alone. When we all live as one is harmonious communion-we'll no longer be here.
No, but I don't live in utopia either. :0)
NEVER bad advice to pray!!!!!!
I agree, very interesting and thought-provoking. I am no prophet, but certainly God has given this gift to some even today...and He will send even more messages to us as the events foretold in Revelations come closer to fruition.
We are instructed to be ever-vigilant, to pray and fast for our loved ones, friends and neighbors, our country and it's leaders. There is a spiritual war in progress, whether or not this is the beginning of THE war, we cannot tell. I hope fervently that all these events are a wake-up call to Christians...because we have grown lazy.
Thank you Quix for posting this.
Then you shouldn't post on FR, because anything posted here is fair game for refutation. But OK, I won't attempt to debate, just state my opinion.
Personally, I believe anyone who is "prophesying" in this day and time is either an ignoramus concerning the bible, or is decieved, or is a deciever himself, and I don't give any credibility to the "prophecies" of either one. If you are into this sort of thing, just tune around the short-wave bands late at night and you can find several self-proclaimed "prophets" prophesying almost anything that suits your fancy. I believe this supermarket tabloid-style sensationalism brings unnecessary ridicule by unbelievers upon Christians and upon Christ's church, just as I believe snake-handlers and slick, oily faith healers do. I don't mind being ridiculed for my faith in Jesus Christ, but otoh, I don't feel a need to be ridiculed because of non-scriptural showboating either.
In the 18th chapter of Deuteronomy God said that the test of a true prophet is whether or not the prophet's prophecies are 100% accurate. I don't believe Mr. Clements, or any other present-day "prophet" passes that test. If you know of any proof to the contrary, please post it ASAP as I would like very much to hear about it. I believe, as do most other evangelical Christians, that the day of prophets and prophecies ended with the revelation that Jesus gave to John on the isle of Patmos. In I Co. 13:8 Paul wrote that prophecies would cease, and I believe that occurred at the end of the 1st century AD with the book of the Revelation. If the end-time prophecies that anyone can read in the bible aren't specific enough to satisfy a person's curiosity, that person has more curiosity than God is willing to indulge, IMHO.
But understand, I'm not debating, just giving MHO.
SOME after the WTC seemed to clue in that times are a changin' as never before.
Some are convinced that there's still no new thing under the sun. It's doubtful that both will be equally right.
What's also curious, is your outrage.
It's interesting that that would technically leave week, month and year. . . . but I'm mostly teasing with that idea.
TO ME, the more important aspects of the quotes suggested are that BELIEVERS WOULD DO WELL TO:
A) pray earnestly that our gov would have uncommon wisdom in this situation.
B) pray earnestly regarding the further attacks planned and predicted by (1) multiple secular intelligence sources from multiple nations (2) various prophetic sources of all types (3) logic.
C) pray earnestly that believers have a growthful, constructive, redemptive attitude toward all concerned while supporting the disciplines of God on the evil involved.
D) realize yet again that God's perspective is usually not likely to be ours.
E) realize yet again that God has options we haven't begun to dream of.
F) support our military forces enormously in prayer in the event that, indeed, they EVEN MIGHT be acting on even partially flawed options.
G) pray that Iraq's leader get's fully and thoroughly what he keenly deserves to finally take him out of the equation whether by God's direct intervention into his life or through U.S.A actions.
H) watch and see in the next attack if there is evidence that God has moderated the degree of the disaster.
I) prayerfully support whatever God might do in terms of pulling the veil of distortions and darkness back from regions, peoples, leaders, forces in the Middle East.
J) prayerfully support whatever God might do in terms of intensifying, multiplying HIS GLORY, HIS WILL, HIS HEALING, HIS LEADING, HIS WHOLENESS, HIS GRACE, HIS PEACE in the Middle East.
K) realize that God's Love is more overwhelmingly available and more of a priority to even God than is His own justice. Rejoice in that and share that with the hurting everywhere of every orientation. Mercy triumphs over justice.
L) realize and help those around us realize that GOD IS GOD and always will be God and before Him, every other power is at best a weak breath of air in a typhoon.
M) realize more fully that God is sufficient for all our needs present and future. Whether with Him here, graduated from this life and with Him eternally or whatever--He is sufficient and promised that where He is, those who Love Him will be also.
Of course, if none of the above are attractive to you, ignore them and do as you see fit before God. I'm nothing. . . . a too often weak human too often just blowing wind. . . . perhaps sometimes, there's a thought worth prayerfully pondering.
my perspective.
So it is your freedom to post wherever you like in more or less whatever tone you like . . . dumping whatever invectives you feel fitting. . . .even when particularly disinvited . . . .all that's your 'God and FR given freedom' so-to-speak . . .
Yet you think it's an outrage for others of different persuasion to share ideas about current news hereon.
An interesting internal inconsistency. I can see why you might be full of emotional angst.
I understand your trepidation here, but how then do you interpret Acts 2:17-21. Also there WILL be two prophets of God during the tribulation. Revelation is clear on that. I understand it also to mean that God's prophets are 100% correct. But how will we know if we refuse to listen?
Personally, I believe Revelations speaks of the time of 1,000 years of peace on this planet.
But I don't believe that the unity, understanding, peace spoken of in this prophecy is that. I believe it's more localized and more temporary. . . . more a breathing space, so to speak--that many more might have the opportunity in light of certain dramatic evidence to reconsider, renew or perhaps begin a closer relationship with God.
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