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GATHERING OF THE DANGEROUS; COMMENTARY ON PROPH WORDS OF DESTRUCTION; THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
THE ELIJAH LIST and Kim Clements ^ | 25 July 1996; 21DEC 2000; 20 MAY2001; 30SEP2001 | Steve Shultz THE ELIJAH LIST; Kim Clement w some annotations by Quix

Posted on 09/30/2001 11:55:21 AM PDT by Quix

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To: Quix
Yet you think it's an outrage for others of different persuasion to share ideas about current news hereon.

You can say and post anything you like...and I can tease you for posting doom and gloom end-of-the-world prophecies if I like. If you have a position, defend it--I'm ready! ;)

41 posted on 09/30/2001 8:12:21 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Hmmmm, I missed reading anything about utopia in the docs--except perhaps pointing to The God who creates Peace and wholeness out of chaos. . .

I personally believe God deliberately made the Biblical prophecies about our time only very partially clear. That requires us to seek Him daily for clarity, guidance, protection.

I believe current even accurate, Holy Spirit led prophetic voices are similarly partial for essentially the same reasons--that we seek God daily, moment by moment, and that we learn to relate to each other in His Love--"that by this shall all men know that you are my disciples"--not because of agreements on doctrine, 100% accurate understanding of this or that principle . . . but by Loving one another.

42 posted on 09/30/2001 8:15:49 PM PDT by Quix
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To: LeeMcCoy; RoseofTexas; et al
YOU BLESS ME ENORMOUSLY.

Strongly concur, prayer is the goal, the need, the essential thing. . . with humility and repentant hearts.

And particularly prayer for our leaders, that The Church--believers act like it--AT LEAST toward one another--showing forth The Love of God that people might WANT to know HIM better.

43 posted on 09/30/2001 8:19:34 PM PDT by Quix
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To: epow
Even energetic respectful discourse is one thing.

hostility prone brickbats is nothing I'm interested in.

I understand your feelings and perspective.

I do believe that the OT prophets had a learning curve AND that they were not always 100% accurate but I'll leave that for you to search out as I don't have it handy and have school work to get to shortly.

I also believe that God will make His prophetic voices purer and purer in our era--that essentially--the dark will get darker and the light lighter.

HE is the one that said in His Scripture that He would not do anything without telling His prophets first.

44 posted on 09/30/2001 8:23:41 PM PDT by Quix
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To: dubyagee
Sorry, NO idea.

I'm rather ignorant of such things.

45 posted on 09/30/2001 8:25:09 PM PDT by Quix
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To: JMJ333
You may be quite ready.

If I have a slow moment, It's conceivable I might add evidence here and there but doubtful at the beginning of a semester.

I prefer to offer some things and let people glean whatever useful stuff they will. Of course others will have other uses for whatever.

46 posted on 09/30/2001 8:26:57 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
The utopian comment had to do with living in harmonious communion with our enemies.

Now, the USA has been struck and we say God has lifted His hand. So He gets the credit for bad events. Why do we always find a reason for an attack, war or death? Jesus said, "There shall be wars and rumors of wars." (Matt. 24:6)

I respect your reply about revs. being 1000 years long, but to me they keep insinuating [subtly] that we are in the throws of the last times. This isn't the first time atrocites have occured, and I don't believe anyone who says these things knows any more than I do what stage of the game we're in. Call me skeptical. :)

47 posted on 09/30/2001 8:34:54 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Quix
I will not comment on my opinion of this post, since I did not read the entire thing, yet I do believe in prophecy...since we do not understand the true nature of time, I believe that it runs backward and forward simultaneously (the Merlin thing) and that prophecies are simply "memories" of the future.

That said, were something along these lines true about the nature of time, those who pretend to understand all that there is to understand in this life surely would appear foolish, and I would also say that those who most virulently attempt to infect this discussion are probably those who are most fearful of being in the wrong.

FReegards...

48 posted on 09/30/2001 8:36:48 PM PDT by copycat
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To: Quix
That's okay. I found it. Interesting site. Read his doctrine, and I don't see too many things that I disagree with. Can't imagine why anyone would call him a "new-ager".
49 posted on 09/30/2001 8:39:17 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: JMJ333
I am quite certain that the flat earth scholars of the 15th century would have suggested tin foil for Christopher Columbus had it been invented.
50 posted on 09/30/2001 8:43:41 PM PDT by copycat
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To: copycat
I believe you are correct, but he was basing his stuff on scientific theory, not prophecy. I actually don't have a problem with revelation, but when I read the post it just seemed to subtly push for end-times theory, which I don't think anyone is capable of knowing. He'll come like a thief in the night, and no one knows the day or hour--not even prophets. There are signs, of course [war and rumors of war, weather catastrophies, etc.] but this isn't the first time we've encountered these things.
51 posted on 09/30/2001 8:56:03 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
but when I read the post it just seemed to subtly push for end-times theory, which I don't think anyone is capable of knowing. He'll come like a thief in the night, and no one knows the day or hour--not even prophets.

That seems reasonable. I'm glad to learn that you're not limited to posting pics of tin foil whenever any post appears to think "out of the box." Those people really piss me off.

FReegards...

52 posted on 09/30/2001 9:05:45 PM PDT by copycat
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To: Quix
hostility prone brickbats is nothing I'm interested in.

If you interpreted my comments as hostile brickbats, I apologize. On a re-reading of my post I can see where it might easily be seen that way.

I have no interest in throwing brickbats at someone who is apparently a Christian brother. The issue in question doesn't involve the fundamentals of the faith anyway, so lets just disagree on the matter without being disagreeable, agreed?

53 posted on 09/30/2001 9:57:30 PM PDT by epow
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To: copycat
Your words sure smell like wisdom to me.

Interesting perspective on time.

Have often thought that from God's perspective, time might be like a model rail road on a table. One could focus on any part, perhaps pick up or energize, run certain parts at will.

54 posted on 09/30/2001 10:07:57 PM PDT by Quix
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To: dubyagee
I agree, obviously with The Bible, that great deception will be abroad in the land.

I see no reason to throw out the authentic with the counterfeit, however.

Otherwise, the enemy wins. He Loves to counterfeit--lacking creativity--it's an excellent deception strategy. He thereby seduces folk to believe a lie and to run from the truth.

Paul exhorted ALL NT era (ours) believers to seek to prophesy. He must have had a very Biblical, God-ordained reason.

I think the notion that God quit speaking to man when John The Revelator "ran out of ink" is not a Biblical idea. . . and also, not very logical. Christ died that we might have dialogue with The Father. Christ said my "sheep know my VOICE." Sounds like two way communication, to me.

55 posted on 09/30/2001 10:12:52 PM PDT by Quix
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To: JMJ333
It appears to me that it's YOUR CHOICE to be offended with CAPS.

You have the opportunity to consider that:

A)A CAPS emphasis affords you an easy way to get to know another fellow traveler on this planet easier, quicker.

B) Some folk have poor eyesight and appreciate CAPS for quicker easier reading.

C) Variety in text can be more interesting.

Of course, if you enjoy choosing to be offended by such petty things, far be it from me to try and make your life calmer.

56 posted on 09/30/2001 10:15:31 PM PDT by Quix
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To: dubyagee
It might be that the site was so busy that that page was unavailable temporarily.
57 posted on 09/30/2001 10:16:43 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
okee dokee..I cede you the floor. I am up way past bed-time. Have a good night. :)
58 posted on 09/30/2001 10:18:42 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: copycat
The compulsive need for control--especially to feel in control--seems rather epidemic in our culture and era.

Interestingly, it is often those most averst to submitting to God who seem most slavishly locked into a world view.

But then there are many "Christians" who seem to worship the ideology and the printed Book more than they worship God.

We sure know how to get things bassackwards.

59 posted on 09/30/2001 10:18:47 PM PDT by Quix
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To: copycat
The compulsive need for control--especially to feel in control--seems rather epidemic in our culture and era.

Interestingly, it is often those most averst to submitting to God who seem most slavishly locked into a world view.

But then there are many "Christians" who seem to worship the ideology and the printed Book more than they worship God.

We sure know how to get things bassackwards.

60 posted on 09/30/2001 10:21:01 PM PDT by Quix
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