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Joe 6-pack's Questions for Liberals
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Posted on 09/29/2001 7:44:31 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack

Our ranks have been joined by many as of late, due no doubt, to recent events. As we carry our battle forward, here are a few arrows for your quivers:

"Joe 6-pack's Questions for Liberals:"

1. If, conceding the liberal argument, homosexuality is a genetic predisposition, and a test becomes available to let expectant mothers know if their, "fetus," is predisposed to homosexuality, should that mother be allowed to abort the "fetus," on that basis? If she would abort a "homosexual fetus," does that constitute a "hate crime?" Does preventing her from doing so impose on a woman's right to choose?

2. If we were not meant to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

3. Suppose you and one other person were shipwrecked on a desert island, not under the jurisdictional law of any state and/ or country. Is it morally right for that person to kill you, or you to kill that person to stretch the food supply? If not, what makes it morally wrong?

4. If sexual activity of any sort is "ok," provided it is between consenting adults, does this include incest between children over 18 and their parents? If not, why? Why not... 17? 16? 15? 14?

5. If the government can arbitrarily set the minimum wage at $5.35 an hour, why not set it at $200.00 an hour? Wouldn't this improve the lot of the poor and lower working class? To what degree should the employer be able to determine the value of labor?

6. If you over-paid a shop owner $20.00 for a new carpet cleaner, would you not expect a refund or credit? Would you consider it theft if the business kept the overpayment without refunding or crediting you? Does not, an anticipated multi-billion dollar surplus indicate an overpayment on the part of the American taxpayer?

7. If your 23-year old daughter had an internship with a major corporation, and had spent her summer on her knees, under the desk of the married CEO, would you demand his resignation, or support his retention because he had been a "good," CEO? What if the CEO lied outright about the incident in a sexual harassment lawsuit filed by your daughter?

8. Is it truly and logically possible to be governed by our consent without ultimately being given the resort of arms? How is it possible that a human can honestly and legitimately consent without owning the means to refuse?

9. What paragraph(s) of the Constitution outline the responsibilities of the Department of Education?

10. If we, as a nation and political system have no moral superiority over nations and governments, why do we spend public monies on maintaining memorials to those that have died in order to preserve and spread our way of life? Should we no longer fund these projects?

11. If reparations for past wrongs can be demanded by the descendants of the victims from the descendants of the perpetrators, should native Americans be named as defendants in law suits against the tobacco industry? If, as many Afro-centrist scholars contend, Ancient Egyptian Civilization was the product of black africans, are not the descendants of Israelite slaves who built the pyramids owed reparations?

12. If one maintains that Darwinian evolutionary theory should be taught as fact, and at the exclusion of all other theories in public schools, one must subscribe to the notion of "survival of the fittest." If one believes that, "survival of the fittest," is a natural, evolutionary process, does the Endangered Species Act set a dangerous precedent in man's interference with nature? Wouldn't the artificially protracted preservation of a species destined for extinction result in an ecological catastrophe?

13. If you knew for a fact that a person was HIV positive, would you allow your teen-ager to have sexual intercourse with that person if they promised to use a condom they got from the school nurse? Would you have intercourse with someone you knew was HIV+, as long as you used a condom?


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To: jerky
Listen up, the first 10 amendments to the Constitution are explanations and practical situations to which the necessary and proper clause is applied. They are their because the wise founders figured that people with only half a deck (like you) might not be able to figure out what necessary and proper means. Department of education is not necessary or proper to the execution of the foregoing powers, (common defense, etc.)

The things you mentioned would be 'banned' even if the first 10 amendments did not exist because they are not necessary or proper to the execution of the authorized powers of the federal government.

61 posted on 10/01/2001 7:25:33 PM PDT by ewchil
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To: Northman
I'd chalk it up to the moral vacuum that seems to exist in the wealthy,

Are you saying that if one is poor one cannot be immoral?

Only the wealthy are immoral?

Wealthy people are immoral because they are wealthy?

What about if and when you ever attain success and become "wealthy?" Will that result in your loss of morality?

62 posted on 11/13/2001 5:25:16 PM PST by Humidston
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To: Joe 6-pack
Bump for a great piece that I missed the first time around!!
63 posted on 11/13/2001 5:40:07 PM PST by GWfan
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To: Northman
Northman and our other liberal posters answered the questions exactly as a liberal would do so. I agree with you. I have the same position as you but I'm going to do this other thing that is completely different because I feel that is the right way using my convoluted selection of words.

Thank-you for honestly stating your opinions. It was indeed brave and the selection of words and phrases almost sounds like a noble position.

But, it's funny, I don't actually think you wouldn't be pitching a fit if the President of the United States was using your daughter as a spare sink.
64 posted on 11/13/2001 5:49:19 PM PST by Joe_October
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To: Joe 6-pack
My local Sunoco still washes your windshield, they even wear a Sunoco shirt and tie and they will check your oil if you ask them. This is also the only gas station in town not run by ragheads.
65 posted on 11/13/2001 5:56:38 PM PST by culpeper
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To: culpeper
"My local Sunoco still washes your windshield, they even wear a Sunoco shirt and tie and they will check your oil if you ask them. This is also the only gas station in town not run by ragheads."

Where's that? I know some municipalities have ordinances against self-serve stations. Sounds like a well run, and disciplined business. How do their prices compare to their local competitors that don't provide the same services?

66 posted on 11/13/2001 6:00:59 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: jerky
Well, Jerky. This is how it works. The Constitution grants powers to the government. You quoted a few Amendments that limit the government, as to imply that if the Constitution doesnt limit or ban something, then it is okay. Well, the Amendment you failed to quote, is the one that shoots holes in your theory, ans that would be the 10th Amendment. Read it carefully, there will be a test later.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Now, what does that mean?? It means that if the Consitution does not specifically delegate authority for something to the government, then the government cannot do it. And last time I checked, I saw no Consitutional grounds for a "Federal" Education system. No Federal Education System = no Department of Education. The same would apply to many other federal agencies. However, an argument can be made for the authorization of a Commerce Department being in line with the Commerce clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;).

Now wasnt that easy to understand?

67 posted on 11/13/2001 6:10:05 PM PST by Tatze
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To: Joe 6-pack; Bryan
Great questions...and answers. Thanks, Joe. Why do liberals never ask the poor what they think? If it's just about money, why do third world nations have wealthy, corrupt leaders? If it's just about money, why has there never been mass starvation in Democratic nations? If the left truly care about the poor of any race, why do they keep undermining their humanity and spirit with the most destructive label - that of helpless victim?

Bryan, are you still visiting DU? (^:

68 posted on 11/13/2001 6:15:36 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I gave up on DU long ago. Way too much hypocrisy, flaming and oppression of anyone and everyone who even sounds like he might be thinking about, perhaps, having a thought or belief somewhere to the right of James Carville, someday.

They eat their own young. Anyone who isn't radical Left on abortion, gay rights and the environment is inevitably banned. This includes moderate Democrats. As a result, they're down to about 10 or 12 members who post on a regular basis.

69 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:43 PM PST by Bryan
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To: Joe 6-pack
If homosexuality is genetic, why hasn't homosexuality been bred out of existence a long, long time ago? By what mechanism does genetically transmitted homosexuality perpetuate itself? An outrageously high and outrageously targeted mutation rate?
70 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:43 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: ewchil
Thank you for saving me the trouble of answering jerky's ignorant questions about a subject we should all know like the back of our hands. You done good.

The founding dads should have never gave-in to the anti federalists and adopted a BOR. It has only accomplished the one thing they were trying to avoid, idiots misconstruing the original Constitution.

71 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:44 PM PST by Gumption
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To: Bryan
As a result, they're down to about 10 or 12 members who post on a regular basis.

Thanks for the happy news. (^:

72 posted on 11/16/2001 1:49:33 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Joe 6-pack
Hey, Joe! You got your questions answered!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=list_threads&om=1419&forum=DCForumID12

(note the Trent Lott quote in Lazarus' signature line. I cannot yet find any evidence that Trent Lott said that, though lefties are passing it around to each other as if it were gospel. Anyone?)

73 posted on 11/23/2001 12:17:14 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: ewchil
things not specified in the constitution are left up to the states.
74 posted on 02/03/2002 3:32:11 PM PST by Kewlhand`tek
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To: Joe 6-pack
i might be wrong but i hear in Oregon all gas stations pump gas for you. They listed gasoline as a carcenogin and was a healt risk for you to pump it. Supposedly it was only done that way to "create" jobs. So i wonder if a few years from now those gas pumpers can sue the state or big gas for cancer?
75 posted on 02/03/2002 3:36:39 PM PST by Kewlhand`tek
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To: jerky
The First Amendment protects individual rights to speech, press, worship, etc, and other articles protect other individual rights. The Tenth Amendment states that those powers not delegated to the federal powers ... are reserved to the States, or to the people. That means that no task that isn't specifically spelled out as a Constitutional duty for the federal government, may be undertaken by it. The feds can mint coins and raise an army ... but can't dictate what must be in textbooks.

Thus, even though there is no inalienable right to own toasters protected in the Bill of Rights, we may presume we have this right, unless some basis to revoke it can be made. But since the Federal Toaster Authority is not spelled out in the Constitution (including Amendments), such an agency at the federal level is strictly unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

The only legal ways for such an agency to exist are to have it at the State level, or to amend the Federal Constitution to authorize it at a federal level. Lacking either, we have an unrestricted right to toaster ownership.

76 posted on 02/19/2002 9:04:05 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Joe 6-pack
LOL
77 posted on 02/19/2002 11:08:28 PM PST by CyberCowboy777
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To: Texas_Jarhead
The Russian armey sided with Yeltson, they werent exactly unarmed.
78 posted on 04/06/2002 6:34:59 AM PST by Husker24
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To: Joe 6-pack
Awesome. Just Awesome. A must-pass-on to my liberal-leaning family and friends.....Thanks!
79 posted on 04/06/2002 8:16:23 AM PST by SW6906
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To: SW6906
bttt.
80 posted on 08/01/2002 9:52:42 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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