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The Case Against Gary Condit
self | 9-8-01 | dogbyte12

Posted on 09/08/2001 4:00:51 PM PDT by dogbyte12

He was having an adulterous affair with Chandra Levy. According to her friend Sven Jones, Chandra was pressuring Condit into leaving his wife Carolyn, and marrying her. Now more mistresses have come forward with the rule Chandra revealed to her aunt. She was not allowed to carry ID with her when she went out on a date with Condit. Condit's wife gets migraine headaches at time that are often triggered by high altitude airline flights, so she tries to avoid flying.

It had been a year since Carolyn Condit flew to Washington. She flies to Washington on April 28th, and stays there until May 4th, the exact time when Gary Condit's mistress dissapears. Congress was in session on May 1st, and Condit's wife was in town. To go outside without a cell phone would mean that Chandra Levy could possibly miss the 5-15 minute chance that day of Condit contacting her. She goes downstairs and buys a paper, if Condit calls her cell phone, she may have to wait another day until she gets another chance for a conversation with him. If everything was fine with Chandra and Gary Condit, there is no reasonable explanation for her to leave her cell phone home unless she was going out with him.

There are some who theorize that the no ID would be due to Chandra going down to the laundry room, or just grabbing change and buying a paper. Well since she read the papers online, skip the papers. If Chandra was going to spend an hour down in the laundry room, her cell phone would have gone with her, so she could talk with Gary or whomever decided to call her. She was also expecting return calls from Sven Jones and from Aunt Linda to find out what her "big news" was going to be. She would take the cell phone with her anywhere except a date with Gary. Aunt Linda and Sven could wait, only IF she was with Gary.

Gary Condit did not attempt to call Chandra Levy during the week she came up missing. The excuse that his wife was in town and couldn't find time to call his mistress is false, because he found a chance every single day that week to call Anne Marie Smith. In August, he reveals to Connie Chung that he may have tried calling her on the "31st of April (sic), but there is no proof of that attempted phone call being made. He also tells Connie Chung that he didn't really attempt to call Chandra because she was on a train. How ludicrous is that? For one, the woman has a cell phone. It even can work on trains. Even if she was out of range when he tried, there should be records of attempts being made. There are not. He did not inform the parents that Chandra was almost certainly going to be on the train. The parents thought it was one of several options, and certainly would not expect Chandra to take a train, without telling her when she left, or when they were supposed to pick her up at the train station. This excuse holds no water at all.

There is some speculation as to if Chandra and Condit had some other method of communication other than her home phone number or regular cell phone. Condit and Chandra's phone activity died out during the week or two before she vanished. Yet, originally Condit was claiming through aides, that he "broke off his friendship" with Chandra on the 29th (the day after his wife arrived in town), and that Chandra made a flurry of calls to him that day and the 30th, which he didn't return. No records of those calls. No record of the call he claims to have made on "the 31st or May 1st or 2nd"

Was there a hint of truth in this? Did Condit get Chandra a special cell phone? i.e. the type you can get at 7-11 for $89 with pre-paid phone cards. Knowing Condit's penchant for using fake names, he could have registered one in a false name, handed it to Chandra, and called her from pay phones. This is intriguing because either Condit was telling the truth earlier, about him dumping her, or there had to be another phone contact method. There aren't a pattern of calls from Condit to Chandra or from Chandra to Condit the last few weeks before she vanished. Yet Anne Marie and Condit were still talking nearly every day. What was going on? Chandra by Condit's own admission was overnighting at his Condo on April 24th, yet there weren't calls the day before, or the day before that between the two according to Chandra's cell phone record So did she just show up, or did she have another phone?

Condit finally releases a timeline on June 28th that is full of either mistakes or outright lies. It insinuates that Condit met with VP Cheney for 3 hours when the meeting lasted under 1/2 hour. You do not mistake those times. You might be confused if the meeting last 50 minutes or an hour, but not 25 minutes and 3 hours. He lied by omission. He said he met with Cheney at 12:30 and returned to the office at 3:30, hinting that he returned as soon as the meeting was over.

Condit also stated that he met with Rebecca Cooper from ABC news from 6:30-7:30PM. He actually met her around 2:30PM the next afternoon, not on the first for about 3 hours. It's funny... one day Condit is making a 25 minute meeting 3 hours, the next time he is shortening a 3 hour meeting to 1 hour and moving it up a day.

Condit on June 28th had his phone bills from May 1st. His office had a record of every meeting scheduled, every visitor who came in to meet with the congressman, every staff meeting, etc. They had full access to all the data needed to prove Gary Condit was in the office. The fact that they state he returned at 3:30PM tends to show that they had no evidence of him being at the office before then. Let's do a little logic here. If Condit met with Cheney til 1PM, went to his office immediately afterwards, and took phone calls, met visitors, staggered through out the period of 1PM to 3:30PM, why wouldn't they tell us? There is no reason to hide the fact that he was actually working. The ONLY reason that the staff, in receipt of all documentary evidence, would tell us that Condit didn't return until 3:30PM, is because he wasn't there.

Condit's timeline also keeps repeating that a staff member picks up Condit, or a staff member drives Carolyn Condit because Condit didn't have access to a car in Washington. This is what he told the police as well. The police find out in July, only through Anne Marie Smith that Condit actually took her out on dates in the red ford that he had a set of keys to, as well as his staff.

We know that the Levy parents arrive late on May 15th to Washington D.C. The next day, they meet with the police and hold a press conference. The local tv networks flash Chandra's picture all over the evening news casts that evening of the 16th. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer meet with Bob and Sue Levy to help publicize their case, but Condit doesn't. While the Levy parents are still in town on May 17th, Condit does the morning roll call vote, then misses votes for the first time this session. 3 votes between 10 and 3PM are scheduled, and Condit doesn't participate. Anne Marie Smith in the meantime, checks into her hotel in D.C. after flying out there on an airline route. She calls Condit up on his secret phone line, and doesn't get a return call until Midnight from Luray, Va... 80 miles south and about a 2 hour drive from Washington D.C. She claims that he said "he might be in trouble."

Since then, Gary Condit has acted like a suspect. He has hired a criminal lawyer, when if it was just an affair he was covering up, it wouldn't be a legal matter, more a PR problem. He does hire a PR guru as well. Close contacts with Chandra Levy, such as Sven Jones, take police administered polygraphs. Condit refuses. The police leak that they are more than happy to limit the questions to Chandra Levy, and add no questions about Joleen Mckay/the watchbox/ and Anne Marie Smith. No dice. He takes a 4 question polygraph administered by an expert who is under no obligation to tell us if this was the first or the 21st polygraph that Condit took with him. This same expert also "cleared" Ron Carey, who is currently on trial.

There is "no proof" that Gary Condit did it. There is no proof he didn't either. You would think that 4 months later with all this scrutiny, he would have been cleared by now. If not by the police, if not by the media, at least by his lawyer. If Condit can prove his whereabouts during May 1st and 2nd, and can pass a police polygraph which shows he has no clue as to what happened to Chandra Levy, are we to believe that he is paying Abbe Lowell $400-$600 an hour, letting his career go down into tatters, just to do what exactly? The hiding affairs excuse doesn't fly anymore. EVERYBODY KNOWS.

Condit is hurting himself by acting this way. If he could prove his whereabouts and prove his truth through a polygraph, at least prove it to the police, he could make this almost all go away. The fact that he is destroying his career, when every single day there are about 50 lawyers, PR people spelling out to him, as if he didn't know, how to make this go away, and Condit still refuses to stop self-destructing his career tells us there is something there.

It's been a while since anybody has summarized the case in total about why Gary Condit looks guilty, so I thought I would give it a crack. Any feedback, or suggestions would be appreciated, I plan to fine tune this and email it to any folks in the media who feel bored and feel there are no angles left to cover. The media still haven't addressed clearly just the basics of May 1st. I have not seen one person other than Mike Dayton who has verified Condit's whereabouts the afternoon of May 1st after the Cheney meeting. I am incredulous that the media has not tried to get at least 1 person who showed up at Condit's office, an outsider, between 1PM and 3:30PM. In that 150 minute span, some outsider had to go to his office. So what happened when they got there?


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KEYWORDS: annemariesmith; chandra; garycondit; levy; murder
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To: dogbyte12
One thing that is really weirding me out, is that the first footage we see of Condit back in congress is him hanging out with Howard Berman, Joyce Chiang's former boss. Berman, as we know, is the only congress critter who donated his own money to Condit's 2000 re-election campaign. How spooky is that, that they are still best buds and together in the halls?

Very spooky, very unsettling.

61 posted on 09/09/2001 7:57:54 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: SarahW
Condit exaggerated the length of a train trip from D.C. to Modesto btw. It's only 3 days long. I am curious if the police really buy his train trip explanation for not calling Chandra Levy. He calls Anne Marie Smith every day, so from the 29th through the 6th, a period of 8 days, he doesn't call Chandra because she is on a 3 day train trip?

Hello???? Anybody home at the D.C. Police? What we can not forget is that the parents try every day from the 6th through the 10th to get the Police to enter Chandra's apartment. Aunt Linda told the police on May 9th that Chandra dated Condit, and about the no ID rule. The police find out the next day, on the 10th, that Chandra is gone, and that she left her ID behind. I am not exactly Columbo here. This isn't rocket science. Condit at that point was the very obvious prime suspect from that day forward til they cleared him. They sat on their hands though.

It took until mid-june til they found out Condit's wife was in town, and that was because Joseph Cotchett inadvertantly blurted it out. It took them til late June til Condit voluntarily released a timeline. They wait 4 weeks to question Rebecca Cooper AFTER the timeline is released.

This is so pathetic it would be funny if this young woman probably wasn't dead.

62 posted on 09/09/2001 8:10:17 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
I have very little to add to your excellent summary, but here goes: Firstly, this so-called "doctor's appointment" Condit claims he had that day. As far as I know, no one has bothered even checking that story out. If it's a lie, that is more evidence of his complicity in Chandra's disappearance. If it's the truth, it may well be very interesting to find out why he was consulting a doctor.

Also, no one seems to bother asking him why his story went from "I dumped her, and she couldn't handle it," to "Everything was great between us, we were just a couple of little sweethearts." If that isn't fishy, what is?

63 posted on 09/09/2001 8:17:17 AM PDT by white rose
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To: HateBill
Hey! Great to see you! Good points.
64 posted on 09/09/2001 8:35:26 AM PDT by abner
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To: NautiNurse
That's Carolyn, "Presumed Innocent" Condit
65 posted on 09/09/2001 9:08:51 AM PDT by dagnabit
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To: dogbyte12, terilyn
There is some speculation as to if Chandra and Condit had some other method of communication other than her home phone number or regular cell phone. Condit and Chandra's phone activity died out during the week or two before she vanished. Yet, originally Condit was claiming through aides, that he "broke off his friendship" with Chandra on the 29th (the day after his wife arrived in town), and that Chandra made a flurry of calls to him that day and the 30th, which he didn't return. No records of those calls. No record of the call he claims to have made on "the 31st or May 1st or 2nd" ... This is intriguing because either Condit was telling the truth earlier, about him dumping her, or there had to be another phone contact method. There aren't a pattern of calls from Condit to Chandra or from Chandra to Condit the last few weeks before she vanished. Yet Anne Marie and Condit were still talking nearly every day. What was going on? Chandra by Condit's own admission was overnighting at his Condo on April 24th, yet there weren't calls the day before, or the day before that between the two according to Chandra's cell phone record So did she just show up, or did she have another phone?

Perhaps Chandra was spending the nights with Condit and essentially living with him. This would answer a lot of questions. i.e. no phone calls before the 24th, bags packed by her front door, etc. Perhaps Carolyn found out about this via phone call to the condo that was answered by Chandra or Chandra confronting Carolyn. Then Carolyn has a need to make an unscheduled flight to Wash D.C. Gary is now in a jam cause he has been playing house with Chandra and promising her the world thinking it was no big deal cause Chandra was leaving in a few days anyway. It would also explain why Chandra thought she had big news to give to her aunt.

What do you think?

66 posted on 09/09/2001 9:45:42 AM PDT by Balata
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To: dogbyte12
Outstanding analysis. The train trip story really bugs me - why would he immediately offer the $10,000 reward to find her if he thought she was on the train. Sheesh!

Actually I can't decide whether I think the 'authorities' are too stupid to put 2 + 2 together . . . or simply too lazy to put forth any effort . . . or do they just plain not want to see justice served.

Way back in my younger years, I thought the authorities were on the side of truth and justice. No more. The older I get, the more corruption I see involving our 'leaders', I really think the authorities are simply kept in power to keep truth and justice hidden.

I would love nothing better than to see the whole corrupt bunch of the privileged elite get what they deserve, but I don't think it'll ever happen.

Sure wish YOU were on the offical investigation team, dogbyte! You're good!

67 posted on 09/09/2001 9:54:36 AM PDT by Arizona
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To: dogbyte12
Berman and Condit are very spooky. Do you remember during the Chung interview Condit saying that he had not broken friendship with Chandra and planning to see each other in the future. Not sure it was Chung or other interview. Which is it? Broke up or not broke up?
68 posted on 09/09/2001 10:08:00 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: willyboyishere
I think Chung harping on sex was set up so Gary could say she was harping on it. All his interviews were an effort to make this all about sex.Thats what Condit crew was pushing on King. They are worried about murder charge. Chad has already started defense against murder. Chad :" my friend told me this looks like gary was set up". Bet this is what Condit is saying behind the scenes and I also bet Cadee came up with it. This is a very slick plastic family.
69 posted on 09/09/2001 10:19:02 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Balata
Think it is very possible Chandra was at Condits place and needed no phone. it is also possible someone else returned her things to her appartment.
70 posted on 09/09/2001 10:29:50 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert
Think it is very possible Chandra was at Condits place and needed no phone. it is also possible someone else returned her things to her appartment.

No, I think she returned her own things. Does anybody remember that day the alleged 5 minute phone call was to have taken place? For all we know, Chandra was staying at Condit's condo, then talked to Carolyn, Carolyn decides to come out to D.C., so Chandra moves her bags back to her apartment on the 27th, or early on the 28th.

That day she is really down, she emails her landlord, and leaves a voice message for Sven Jones, all depressed.

What I want to know is what happened in sequence on the 29th. She talked to Condit and told Aunt Linda she had "big news". If she gets off the phone with Condit, and then 2 minutes later calls Linda with "the big news" then we can safely assume without equivication that Condit gave her the "big news".

This is another thing the media hasn't pinned down among others. They have Chandra's phone records. Which call was placed when exactly. Would be really helpful to figure out Chandra Levy's state of mind that day.

71 posted on 09/09/2001 1:27:02 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
Good points. Since this thread is The Case Against Gary Condit, I tried making a list of The Case For Gary Condit. So far it is blank. And what is his excuse for not talking to the Levy investigators or taking police lie detector test? Civil liberties?
72 posted on 09/09/2001 1:45:44 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Retribution44, dogbyte12
Someone namely Condit or Mrs. Condit or hired help kills Chandra at her appartment in a way that left no blood evidence, such as strangling, or being shot up with something lethel. The body could not be removed at that particular time, so they take the keys to the place in order to either come back later to clean up the mess, or have someone else come back to clean up.

Do we know whose prints were found in Chandra's apartment, in Condit's condo? I can not remember if anything was revealed by the police along this line. If someone did go in to do away with her or to remove her body, isn't it likely they may have missed wiping down at least ONE print on the way out???

Inquiring minds want to know.

73 posted on 09/09/2001 2:50:06 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: dstarr
Welcome, dstarr.

Don't forget, you can talk through your computer. I have used one of the instant messengers to talk with friends halfway across the country. Did Gary have a computer in his office with internet access? Surely, he did.

Good ideas, there. And don't forget about voicemail. I can send my voicemails to my email where they appear as a voice message. Oooooooooh, another idea.

74 posted on 09/09/2001 3:05:41 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: thelmadawgus
thelmadawgus member since September 9th, 2001

Disruptor??????

75 posted on 09/09/2001 3:12:03 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Saundra Duffy
Well, suppose he got Chandra to do something weird with him and it killed her? Why aren't the police looking into this possibility? They should be interviewing every woman who ever had sex with the creep and find out if he was rough or dangerously kinky with any of them.

This was the gist of an article I read in a tabloid. It had the blazing headline, "Condit Guilty". But we know how those tabloids get their news, don't we? Sometimes $$$.

76 posted on 09/09/2001 3:19:03 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: dogbyte12
Excellent analysis.

The why-did-he-hire-a-lawyer question is bigger than it seems:

He's not wealthy, his children are now unemployed, he's facing loss of his job, yet Condit has hired a high-priced lawyer and is running up an enormous number of hours (accompanying him to police meetings, sitting in on Chung interview, Lowell appearances on television) and therefore an enormous bill.

Also, what's the story behind the change of lawyers?

Would an innocent person hire not one lawyer but two in succession? Innocent people do not risk personal bankruptcy (unlike the Clinton's this guy is not author material) by incurring unpayable liabilities.

77 posted on 09/09/2001 3:36:38 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus, dogbyte12
Condit has hired a high-priced lawyer and is running up an enormous number of hours (accompanying him to police meetings, sitting in on Chung interview, Lowell appearances on television) and therefore an enormous bill.

I read an article several months ago that stated Abby Lowell was the one that made initial contact with Condit, not the other way around. The article implied Lowell was sent from the DNC and it also implied his services were going to be pro bono.

I don't know if there has been an article about a contract between Lowell and Condit since this article or if everyone is just assuming there is a contract. Perhaps dogbyte12 could shed some light on this.

Keep up the battle dogbyte12 we've got them treed.

78 posted on 09/09/2001 5:18:48 PM PDT by Balata
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To: dogbyte12
Great job dogbyte. I am so frustrated with the press! Hopefully someone in the press will see what you and others have questioned and start investigating. I would be interested in knowing when the travel plans were made for Gar and Caroline and who were their doctors? He said Caroline had an appointment at the NIH while she was there in May. Was that true??? If so, when was the appointment made? Why did he have to see a doctor? Nerves?
79 posted on 09/09/2001 7:57:48 PM PDT by the-gooroo
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To: Saundra Duffy
Lotta good info herein....Think of the truth as this center core where GC weaves his tangled webs of lies around and around in the hopes that the confusion will result in us never untangling his web of deceit...the packed bags, the cell phone left behind, the keys-only exit are the keys....so she's out of a job on the 23rd and Condit says he "can't remember if he had sex with her on the 24th and Carolyn comes to town on the 28th. Can anyone else spell potential or realized CONFRONTATION. I wish I had copies of all of the interviews, I guess video-wise that's Chung and KOVR. "She knew her boundaries" translates, she crossed the line when she confronted my wife and my two lives got tangled up through no fault of mine so I had every right to waste her. Why were her bags packed days before she could have gone anywhere? Probably because she had planned to take the train and that you can probably leave on without advanced reservation. Maybe she was planning to stay a few days at GC's when she found out Carolyn came to town. It was probably only at this point did she realize GC had been lying about his relationship with his wife and there was no future with him. I say again, the little "slip" Scary Gary made with Chung about "April 31st" betcha he made the same "slip" in one of his other interviews and would beg the question "How many times do you have to be told there aren't 31 days in April? His way of pretending to not have dwelled on the thing very much when in fact any kind of friend would have sat with a calendar and racked their brains for hours if a close friend went "missing." to be continued
80 posted on 09/10/2001 4:11:30 PM PDT by at bay
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