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We Used to Think the Military Would Stand Up to Trump. We Were Wrong.
NYT ^ | 08 13 2025 | Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson

Posted on 08/13/2025 7:30:01 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

By ordering 800 National Guard troops to Washington, on the pretext of an illusory crime wave, President Trump has further dragged the U.S. military into domestic law enforcement, in a move credibly perceived as an ominous “test case.” This continues what the administration started in California in June as part of the its deportation efforts.

Unfortunately, though we (and others) had hoped that the military would only respond to calls to action in American cities and states kicking and screaming, we no longer expect resistance from that institution. Once, perhaps, traditionalist officers might have leaned on protocol and refused to heed a lawless order, taking inspiration from the generals — Mark Milley and James Mattis — who resisted the uprooting of established military standards in the first Trump term.

But today, general officers no longer seem to see themselves as guardians of the constitutional order.

It now seems clear to us that the military will not rescue Americans from Mr. Trump’s misuse of the nation’s military capabilities. Recent changes to the terms of the military’s employment by the Pentagon and its members’ incentives to career advancement will ultimately overcome any constitutional and moral qualms about their conduct.

Democratic civilian control and the apolitical professionalism of military officers have long been bulwarks against authoritarianism. This framework proved stable through the 20th century, even when tested by the Vietnam War, in significant part because American presidents and their civilian advisers could be trusted not to imperil the political integrity of the Republic.

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"Mr. Simon held senior positions in the State Department and at the National Security Council. Mr. Stevenson served on the National Security Council staff during the Obama administration."
1 posted on 08/13/2025 7:30:01 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

The authors are imbeciles. Trump is their Commander in Chief.


2 posted on 08/13/2025 7:31:27 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: yesthatjallen
Once, perhaps, traditionalist officers might have leaned on protocol and refused to heed a lawless order, taking inspiration from the generals — Mark Milley and James Mattis — who resisted the uprooting of established military standards in the first Trump term.

Traditionalist as in Benedict Arnold?

3 posted on 08/13/2025 7:32:33 PM PDT by MikelTackNailer (Git the rope.)
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To: FamiliarFace

The military loves Trump.


4 posted on 08/13/2025 7:33:19 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: yesthatjallen

NYT is a trash paper beholding to the democriminal party.


5 posted on 08/13/2025 7:33:53 PM PDT by doc maverick
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To: yesthatjallen

This is such twisted, stupid, and dangerous logic ever to be puked up from the NYT. They are lamenting that the military is following constitutional authority of the civilian COC, president Trump, while demanding the military leadership take over control of the nation by initiating a coup for the democrat party. Insane. These people are dangerous and must NEVER have any power in any capacity, ever.


6 posted on 08/13/2025 7:34:06 PM PDT by Organic Panic ('Was I molested. I think so' - Ashley Biden in response to her father joining her in the shower. )
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To: yesthatjallen

They are advocating mutiny?


7 posted on 08/13/2025 7:37:11 PM PDT by jimfree (My 22 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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This continues what the administration started in California in June as part of the its deportation efforts.

Enforcing the law is a threat to democracy.

8 posted on 08/13/2025 7:37:50 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: yesthatjallen

These are truly sick people.


9 posted on 08/13/2025 7:38:15 PM PDT by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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10 posted on 08/13/2025 7:38:19 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: yesthatjallen

This article is satire, right? Wait, it isn’t?

The false assumptions and out right lies in this article are breath taking.

The only way crime stats are down is because Democrats changed the reporting system to hide their failure.

TDS at its finest


11 posted on 08/13/2025 7:38:25 PM PDT by Fai Mao (I used to care, but things have changed ~ Bob Dylan)
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The NYT claims, without evidence, that the crime wave in Washington D.C. is “illusory.
12 posted on 08/13/2025 7:38:33 PM PDT by cross_bearer_02
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To: yesthatjallen

To which I reply : “Eat it!”


13 posted on 08/13/2025 7:40:10 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: yesthatjallen

You are going to have one hell of a time asking American soldiers to violate their morals.
Vietnam taught a lesson, just because an officer orders it
you have to ignore that order if it is against your morals.
You may end up in jail but not as long as Lt. William Calley did in this life or the next.
I guarantee you if Trump was doing wrong the military would not follow. One way shape or form they will do what they know is right. One example is “work to rule”.
I worry more about cops than I do the military.


14 posted on 08/13/2025 7:40:50 PM PDT by rellic (No such thing as a moderate Moslem or Democrat )
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To: yesthatjallen

These writes are idiots. They do in fact know the military are subject to President Trump’s decisions, but seem to be inciting some sort of military rebellion.

This shows just how scared the left is. It’s payback time!


15 posted on 08/13/2025 7:41:23 PM PDT by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: yesthatjallen

They almost had the police and military but they effed up and lost the most important election in history by running a dumb ass.


16 posted on 08/13/2025 7:43:29 PM PDT by toddausauras (47 47 47 47 47 47 47 47 47 47 47 )
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To: yesthatjallen
Have the NY Slimes ever been right....about anything?


17 posted on 08/13/2025 7:43:50 PM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: yesthatjallen

If the NYT says it, then it must be true. Same category as:
The Easter Bunny
The Tooth Fairy
The Moon is made of Green Cheese
etc.


18 posted on 08/13/2025 7:44:27 PM PDT by Howindependent (A Liberal has no concept of reality.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Recruiting levels in both the military and ICE are soaring because of Trump. And morale is high. It’s driving the Left batshit crazier.


19 posted on 08/13/2025 7:44:31 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: yesthatjallen

Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson need a couple of cozy slots at the next gallows session.


20 posted on 08/13/2025 7:47:27 PM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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