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Air India 171 Update: Fuel Cutoff Switches in 'Cutoff' Position according to WSJ
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Posted on 07/11/2025 5:59:30 PM PDT by delta7

The Official Preliminary Report is out, and confirms the fuel cutoff switch directly after takeoff: both switches found in in the off positions.


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To: delta7
There was an Air France pilot many years ago that flew his plane into a mountain side in the Alps.

Ruled it a suicide, actually murder/suicide as 150+ people were on board.

41 posted on 07/11/2025 7:26:42 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: delta7

Interesting to note, page 15, number two engine was able to relight, but it was of course too late.

Interesting also is the forward FDR was intact, the aft FDR unable to download by normal means due to severe damage. The CVR ( Cockpit Voice Recorder) data was retrieved.


42 posted on 07/11/2025 7:27:49 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

That is a deliberate process that requires you to pull the switches up, move them over the gate to the off position and let them drop down to the off position. Not something you can do accidentally. So the question begs, was one of the pilots, probably the pilot monitoring, a moslem?


43 posted on 07/11/2025 7:32:29 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: delta7

When I opened the Link this was the page that opened:

HTTP Status 404 – Not Found

Type Status Report

Message The requested resource [/What] is not available

Description The origin server did not find a current representation for the target resource or is not willing to disclose that one exists.

Apache Tomcat/10.1.17


44 posted on 07/11/2025 7:32:52 PM PDT by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! I’m a fraud, hypocrite & liar. I'm a member of Congress!! )
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To: coloradan
Is the fuel cutoff switch right next to the retract landing gear switch?

They're behind the throttles. The landing gear switch is up on the instrument panel. Literally around almost four feet apart.

45 posted on 07/11/2025 7:35:45 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: Psalm 73

When they hardened the cockpit doors, it presented different problems.Preventing unauthorized access ( hijackers) fine and dandy, but what happens when both pilot and co-pilot are incapacitated?

There is a code one can enter on the keypad by the cockpit door, however there is also a cockpit door denial switch located on the cockpit overhead panel….guess their sterile cockpit logic doesn’t apply when either pilot or co pilot is suicidal.


46 posted on 07/11/2025 7:40:01 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Psalm 73

Not Air France, Germanwings - a Lufthansa subsidiary. First officer was a young, mentally disturbed, suicidal homosexual - locked the Captain out of the cockpit when he rent to the restroom and glided the aircraft right into the Alps.


47 posted on 07/11/2025 7:44:02 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: mabarker1

The Indian Aviation Ministry report.

https://aaib.gov.in/What‘s%20New%20Assets/Preliminary%20Report%20VT-ANB.pdf

Opens fine for me.


48 posted on 07/11/2025 7:56:47 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7; wardaddy

A JetBlue captain who I know suspected this exact issue back when the crash happened.

He said that it has happened before, by mistake, but it’s been at altitude and the pilots have had time to recover and restart the engines.

This time they had the extreme bad luck of no altitude and no time.


49 posted on 07/11/2025 7:58:12 PM PDT by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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To: AlaskaErik

Well, there goes the accidental explanation. I guess it was deliberate.


50 posted on 07/11/2025 8:00:36 PM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: Pelham

“A JetBlue captain who I know suspected this exact issue back when the crash happened.

He said that it has happened before, by mistake, but it’s been at altitude and the pilots have had time to recover and restart the engines.”

There is no way these switches were moved by accident especially on takeoff.


51 posted on 07/11/2025 8:01:52 PM PDT by TexasGator (.i.. logo About Issues Projects Products Connect Subscribe Invest June 19, 2025 | Insight '1-1111 -)
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To: scouter

At the very least, I would expect a legitimate action to be announced over the radio, and heard by a voice recorder.


52 posted on 07/11/2025 8:03:22 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Truth, Justice and the Trump Way!)
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To: delta7
it’s hard to imagine either pilot absentmindedly moving one switch and then the other from run to cutoff, especially in that situation.

Loaded airplane, full fuel, at or just after rotation and cutting off the fuel to both engines is DEI enough to be possible, but it sounds more like a murder/suicide.

53 posted on 07/11/2025 8:11:58 PM PDT by GBA (Endeavor to persevere. Onward through the fog …)
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To: delta7

Very interesting video from a Seasoned Pilot.
This crash was an intentional act of Murder from one of the Pilots.


54 posted on 07/11/2025 8:14:30 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRobr 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: delta7

HTTP Status 404 – Not Found


55 posted on 07/11/2025 8:28:27 PM PDT by TexasGator (.i.. logo About Issues Projects Products Connect Subscribe Invest June 19, 2025 | Insight '1-1111 -)
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To: delta7

Exactly, deliberate.


56 posted on 07/11/2025 9:03:26 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Am Yisrael Chai ~)
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To: BenLurkin

The fuel cutoff switches close or open the spar valves. The spar valves allow fuel to flow from the tanks to the engines. They are located in the wing tanks at the front spar. Pulling the fire handles also close the spar valves. With the fuel control switches in the cutoff position, the spar valves are closed and the engines will not run. They are used to shut down the engines when the plane gets to the gate. On engine start, the fuel control switches switches are moved to the run position, and when the engine start is initiated, the spar valves open.


57 posted on 07/11/2025 9:12:15 PM PDT by 6AL-4V
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To: ChronicMA

“To this day Egypt claims he is innocent and blames the aircraft for malfunctioning.”

I remember that one. IIRC the guy was Muslim Brotherhood and transporting Egyptian Army officers.

The CVR recorded him saying “Journey to Death” before he crashed the plane.


58 posted on 07/11/2025 9:14:07 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: Ahithophel

That is my understanding as well.

Do we know names of both pilots?


59 posted on 07/11/2025 9:17:10 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (TERM LIMITS IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP CORRUPT CAREER POL ITIiCIANS. )
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To: delta7

Human error. Thinking an action is being done . . . but unaware that another action is being done.

Muscle memory, anxiety, fatigue, “under pressure” <— known and/or unknown.

“Intended to turn right, but turned left.”

“Intended to hit the brakes, but hit the gas.”


60 posted on 07/11/2025 9:19:37 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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