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Putin draws new red line on long-range missiles
BBC ^ | Sep 13 | Steve Rosenberg, Russia Editor

Posted on 09/13/2024 1:58:20 AM PDT by RandFan

The headline in this morning’s Kommersant newspaper captured the drama.

“Vladimir Putin draws his red line.”

Will the West cross it? And, if it does, how will Russia respond?

Speaking in St Petersburg, President Putin sent a clear warning to the West: don’t allow Ukraine to use your long-range missiles to strike Russian territory.

Moscow, he said, would view that as the “direct participation” of Nato countries in the war in Ukraine.

“It would substantially change the very essence, the nature of the conflict,” the Kremlin leader continued.

“This will mean that Nato countries, the USA and European states, are fighting with Russia.”

He claimed that, for missile launches into Russia, Ukraine would require data from Western satellites and that only servicemen from Nato member states would be able to “input flight missions into these missile systems”.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: anotherredline; bidenswar; delusionalzeepers; emptythreats; escalation; foreigntrollsonfr; killkillkillforpeace; mic; neoconsarefools; putinsfolly; putinswar; russia; steverosenberg; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; welfarewar; worldwariii; ww3
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To: RandFan

Russia can use Iranian weapons to attack Kyiv and Lviv but Ukraine can’t use Nato weapons to attack Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Sounds fair to a Putinbot.


21 posted on 09/13/2024 4:08:52 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: rdcbn1
I agree, Putin was motivated by 20th century events such as the invasion of Russia by the Nazis and the millions dead as a result. Hence his visceral logic, especially because it is grounded in Russian history rather than space-age reality, is especially dangerous now because the essential thing he fears is actually coming to pass with every strike on Moscow or the near area.


22 posted on 09/13/2024 4:09:07 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: JonPreston

Putin wants an off ramp very badly, but he will not cede territory until Trump is elected.( Because Putin knows that Trump will not allow NATO to continue its non-self defense roll of aggression exhibited by Clinton in the Balkans ,and by Obama/Clinton in Libya. The leftists in Washington have used NATO as their device to create millions of refugees to use in demographic warfare.....their now favorite tool of war.Putin will not put up with that.Zelensky will.)

Then watch the rails get greased when PDJT is elected..


23 posted on 09/13/2024 4:09:58 AM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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To: rdcbn1

Like the Ottoman Empire it is a feudalistic empire from the Middle Ages which cannot cope with the modern world.

Feudalism.

Look it up!

Once you have a cursory appreciation of its values and beliefs then go ahead and prattle-on about individualism, population centers and other post-Enlightenment Western concepts. They don’t exist in Russia and are not expressed in Russia’s geopolitical activity.


24 posted on 09/13/2024 4:10:34 AM PDT by Justa (Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people....)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Who?


25 posted on 09/13/2024 4:11:02 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: JonPreston

Pretty convenient to set the rules of war so that you can bombard your opponent’s capital, but your opponent has to leave your capital alone.


26 posted on 09/13/2024 4:15:31 AM PDT by nagant
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To: nathanbedford

Putin doesn’t have a monopoly on illogical thinking when it comes to, since the 9/11 attack originated in Afghanistan a military response from the USA was warranted but I can think of no logical reason for invading Iraq or spending 20 years in Afghanistan.

My point is, regardless of how illogical the war was when it began I think it’s equally illogical to argue for its expansion from a US perspective


27 posted on 09/13/2024 4:16:41 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Russia has a sphere of influence that extends beyond its internationally-recognized borders.

If you speak Russian, you are Russian.

If you speak Ukranian, Georgian, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, or any language of a former SSR, you are Russian.

If you speak Polish, Fin, or any language of a place once ruled by Imperial Russia, you are Russian.

If you speak Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Serbo-Croat, Albanian, or any language of a country once part of the Warsaw Pact, you are Russian.

Sounds like a Putinbot.


28 posted on 09/13/2024 4:17:39 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: srmanuel
It would seem that every American war at least since Korea has been "ill logical". The dead in the trenches in Ukraine make no more logic to me than the dead in the trenches in Flanders.

If the parties are not otherwise engaged this afternoon, perhaps they could make time to end this war.


29 posted on 09/13/2024 4:23:23 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: srmanuel

Can anyone imagine Kamala being a wartime president? Seriously we would need a military coup or surrender !


30 posted on 09/13/2024 4:23:23 AM PDT by DrHFrog
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Stayed within their sphere?
Sure Africa and Syria yup

That’s what one does invade and destroy parts of your “own” country like Chechnya? lol okay

Georgia is independent, got ya

I wouldn’t say majority, but there is a reason so many Russians were in Ukraine, it’s called Stalin and the Soviet Union

I guess we can call Springfield part of Haiti as well


31 posted on 09/13/2024 4:26:39 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: nathanbedford

Spoken like a true Yankee. The Ukrainians I know are fighting to be free of Russian subjugation and they fight against the Neo-Stalinist state. You appeaseniks are a very dangerous lot.


32 posted on 09/13/2024 4:28:48 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: nathanbedford

Exactly.

The Russian world view has always been defined by fatalism and paranoia.

It’s worse for the Putin generation that grew up in the rubble of post WWII USSR, lived through the Cold War and then suffered through the collapse of the USSR which caused massive hardships where people literally starved

Carlson’s interview was an honest look into the mind of the real Putin.

Putin is the hardest man in a society that has endured hardships that would break your average American

I would not underestimate what this man is capable of.


33 posted on 09/13/2024 4:33:25 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: RandFan

New red line pronounced in different clips, with different backgrounds, of Putin saying the same thing, in the same way, while looking somehow off or odd. AI generated?


34 posted on 09/13/2024 4:37:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Monterrosa-24
You misunderstand me, if I had the power I would to evict Russia from Ukraine immediately. Perhaps you could advise how to do it?


35 posted on 09/13/2024 4:37:30 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: nagant

Pretty convenient to set the rules of war so that you can bombard your opponent’s capital, but your opponent has to leave your capital alone.—


Yup, those are rules for fighting manufactured proxy wars against opponents armed with enough nuclear weapons to destroy then world several times over.

That’s why friends don’t let friends start and fight proxy wars.


36 posted on 09/13/2024 4:40:04 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Monterrosa-24; nathanbedford

appeaseniks are terrorist supporters


37 posted on 09/13/2024 4:45:07 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: bert
appeaseniks are terrorist supporters

Neocons are…?


38 posted on 09/13/2024 4:54:23 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Wow..... you got to say neocons.


39 posted on 09/13/2024 4:55:33 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: odawg
If, as you claim, Ukraine "has already lost the war" due to the casualties that she has suffered, then why aren't Putin and the Russians holding a victory parade in Red Square? In truth, they started the war and are losing, with far greater casualties due to Russia being the attacker and declaring "red lines" that cannot credibly be enforced.

For now, Putin's circle of support remains large enough for him to survive, but, with the Russian economy suffering and the war stalemated, that is unlikely to continue for another year. The best outcome for all concerned will be an imperfect peace. Since Putin and Russia would see themselves as losers if they make peace overtures, the US and the West will have to make the first move.

I expect that Trump will be returned to office and will quickly bring Putin and Russia to the bargaining table. The outcome will be objectively unfavorable to Russia, but the government there will dress it up as a victory of sorts because Russia will continue to be ruled by Putin and his gangster friends. The Russian people will privately know better and grumble, biding their time.

As for Ukraine, with a de facto victory, a NATO security guarantee, and a gusher of reconstruction cash, the country will enjoy a wave of prosperity and peace. As happens in such eras, Ukraine will soon enjoy a baby boom. I trust that you will be pleased by that.

40 posted on 09/13/2024 5:13:10 AM PDT by Rockingham
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