Nuclear war (regional), election "suspended", Joe Biden, unable to continue resigns, Kamala becomes pResident, and whomever is appointed to VP..../worst fears, shiny side out lol
Posted on 09/13/2024 1:58:20 AM PDT by RandFan
The headline in this morning’s Kommersant newspaper captured the drama.
“Vladimir Putin draws his red line.”
Will the West cross it? And, if it does, how will Russia respond?
Speaking in St Petersburg, President Putin sent a clear warning to the West: don’t allow Ukraine to use your long-range missiles to strike Russian territory.
Moscow, he said, would view that as the “direct participation” of Nato countries in the war in Ukraine.
“It would substantially change the very essence, the nature of the conflict,” the Kremlin leader continued.
“This will mean that Nato countries, the USA and European states, are fighting with Russia.”
He claimed that, for missile launches into Russia, Ukraine would require data from Western satellites and that only servicemen from Nato member states would be able to “input flight missions into these missile systems”.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
I just watched a Putin YouTube interview and he was his usual restrained self. He doesn’t want a wider war. Juxtapose his interview with those of Lindsey Graham, Demented Joe or World Salad Kamala, and he comes off as a statesman.
What a sick bunch they are. It’s tough watching them cheer for war as America slides into a very dark place.
Ukraine needs to use missiles or drones to completely destroy every oil refinery in Russia.
Typical Neocon belligerence.
“He claimed that, for missile launches into Russia, Ukraine would require data from Western satellites and that only servicemen from Nato member states would be able to “input flight missions into these missile systems”.
He’s either spouting nonsense or lying. Both imo.
It’s common NCO and officer training to transfer Lat/Long coordinates to Northing and Easting for military targeting. I’m sure the UKRs have received this training.
Those Fodor’s and Michellin Dining maps of Moscow are now input sources. Pick 3 coordinate values for your target and take the average for 1m targeting.
The red line was crossed years ago by Russia targeting, attacking, conquering and absorbing other nations.
“...as America slides into a very dark place.”
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Jon. I agree, but WHY is this so?
Another hollow threat from Putin to impress the gullible. Russia is losing their war against Ukraine and the oligarchs are turning against him.
Why is America sliding into darkness? The same people who forcibly bussed our school children into slums, red-lined our neighborhoods, destroying property values, taxed US at 40% while off shoring our jobs, vaxxinated US with untested poison have graduated into toppling governments and countries. Europe has largely fallen; the Middle East is in flames and America has opened its borders to the world’s poor. There is no pushback from the remaining decent people in power, with most of them capitulating to this evil power as they look for a soft-landing spot for themselves and family. The fight none of us wanted has come to our doorstep. Good luck.
There is no ONE thing causing the slide, it’s any number of major issues.
Just look at this thread about Putin’s new red line, despite 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan which accomplished nothing in our national interest other than to make a bunch of people in the MIC very wealthy, we have any number of people calling for expanding a proxy war with Russia.
Despite the USA being led by a person who is suffering from dementia and the very real possibility he could be replaced by someone that is worse, people are still pushing for expanding the proxy war.
Constant and continual war being despite all the evidence against it, people are still pushing for expansion is one very big reason we are sliding into a very dark place.
It is curious how the “red lines” and the “escalation “
are always one way.
NATO expansion is triggering for Putin, but invasion of of Georgia, Chechnya, Donbas and Crimea are not
Full invasion of Ukraine is not.
Using Iranian and NK ammunition, drones, and missiles are not.
Putin is free to use whatever weapons he wants, wherever he wants on Ukraine, with some “accidentally “ falling on NATO aligned countries, and no “red
Lines” have been crossed.
I agree that this removing of restrictions would concern Putin. He has been able to fight this war largely free from the best western produced weapons hitting his territory. He knows this will be a serious problem for his “SMO”. Kherson proves that.
Once these weapons were allowed his “great” Kherson offensive stalled
Imagine if these kind of restrictions were placed on German and Japanese territory during WW2.
Allied weapons can only attack France, Belgium, Norway, Netherlands…, but not Germany proper, and only by resistance units within those territories
I guess we should have just let hitler and Soviet Union take Poland then ww2 would have been avoided and both hitler and stalin would have been satisfied and stopped
Putin’s greatest fear is of his own people. He’s a true tyrant, like other tyrannical proteges Khaddaffi, Hussein, Ceaușescu, etc.
Russian cities being destroyed like Putin destroyed Mariupol will be too much to BS away.
I have never understood Putin's logic in commencing this war to protect mother Russia from attack by placing a specific piece of geography, Ukraine, between Moscow and a potential enemy. I have never understood that thinking in an age of intercontinental ballistic missiles and, now, in the age of drones which have demonstrated their ability to strike at the very Kremlin itself, Ukraine, as a patch of geography, makes even less sense.
What good is an extra bit of real estate when an ICBM can strike Russia from a very remote distance? This strategic fallacy in Putin's thinking has had precisely the contrary result. Russia is now threatened by the NATO he whom he presumably fears from an even closer range, at the very border of St. Petersburg since Finland and Sweden have joined NATO as a reaction to Putin's misguided invasion of Ukraine. More, all of NATO has surprisingly pulled together and offered a united front. Meanwhile, Russia has demonstrated not just to NATO but to the whole world it's military weakness, its inability to wage war in a 20 first century model. Every war aim has resulted in precisely the opposite result.
In the course of this debacle, Putin has announced other red lines that would or might incur a nuclear response from Russia if crossed. Again, Putin has been exposed for issuing empty threats.
Now comes this demarche the implications of which are, again, a nuclear response from Russia.
Finally, Putin is reacting to the very threat that is an actual real threat: attack on Moscow, Russia with long-range missiles. In my view, it makes no difference to the recipients of missiles in the Kremlin complex whether they originate from any one of a number of remote locations or from Ukraine. That is, it should make no difference to a Kremlin strategist in the present context.
Of all Putin's red lines this one seems the most credible. Believable because he is actually reacting to his original casus belli that motivated him to invade in the first place, no matter how misplaced that cause was.
If ever, now is the time to negotiate a settlement of this madness before it really gets out of hand.
Russian cities being destroyed like Putin destroyed Mariupol will be too much to BS away.
I think you have a rather bizarre perspective
First off, while Putin may not be loved by the Russian people, he is respected and generally supported by them. Russia has a very strange form of government but Putin could not have held onto power for so long without the support of the Russian people.
And you are very misguided and twisted individual if you actually believe that destroying Russian civilian population centers with American long range missiles is good thing.
First off, bombing civilian cities has a name - terrorism.
Pure and simple.
The Russian response will be not to our liking and their retaliation will sadly be justifiable.
The war in the Ukraine is lost and the warmongers are trying to cover the disaster they have created by widening the war and escalating the conflict.
The solution to this senseless proxy war in Ukraine is to end it, not widen it.
“Russia is losing their war against Ukraine and the oligarchs are turning against him.”
Ukraine has already lost the war; Ukraine has been destroyed, its population will take generations to recover if it ever does.Its remaining armies are fielded by the United States and it is only a matter of time that they will be ground up, which is why the turn to missiles. They will have no men left to fight.
Now the morality of the war and who is to blame (Biden administration) is like horses that have left the barn. You can use your superior morality to comfort and bolster your own righteousness and make yourself feel good about yourself but in war, that counts for nothing.
I think that before you demand that men die in order to prove your superior analysis and morality that you go there yourself and expose yourself to the charnel house. That will give you credibility.
If you have not already done so, go listen to Tucker Carlson's interview with Puitn.
It gives an amazing insight into the Putin perspective.
“...Georgia, Chechnya, Donbas and Crimea...”
1) Chechnya is still part of Russia.
2) Georgia has not been annexed, it is still a sovereign country (unlike the USA which which has been taken over by EU globalist).
3) The Donbas and Crimea (Ukraine) are majority populated by Russians. Those Russians were being persecuted and attacked daily by Ukraine neo-Nazis will full support of Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Russia is NOT the Soviet Union. They have stayed within their sphere of influence, while the filthy corrupt CIA has stuck it’s nose and started trouble, pushing it’s perverted homosexual agenda all over the world.
If anything, Russia has shown enormous restraint and good will. It is the Obama/Clinton/Biden Axis of evil regime that needs to be exterminated. /spit
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