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Big Loss for Biden's Crusade Against 'Ghost Guns'
Reason ^ | 17 july 2023 | J.D. TUCCILLE

Posted on 07/17/2023 7:53:06 AM PDT by rellimpank

A couple of years ago, an "80 percent" receiver I purchased refused to accept parts, let alone chamber and fire cartridges, until my son and I drilled and milled it to completion; that's because unfinished firearms are not firearms. For a long time, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) agreed. But, pressured by the Biden administration, the ATF tried to extend firearms regulations to a lot of things that aren't guns but could, with work, become one. Now a federal judge is injecting some sense, ruling in a lawsuit that bureaucrats can't just decide that inert objects are guns.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; ghostguns; guns; rkbaa
--another judicial step in the right direction--
1 posted on 07/17/2023 7:53:06 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

And another judge Biden and the ATF thugs will ignore. They are just working on another tactic.


2 posted on 07/17/2023 7:58:47 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Organic Panic

Yep.....ignored the SCOTUS on studen loan debt...why would this be any different.


3 posted on 07/17/2023 8:04:23 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: rellimpank

“—another judicial step in the right direction—

Except he will just ignore it like he does everything else that was ruled against him.

Maybe SCOTUS needs their own Ruling Compliance Division with the authority to arrest anyone who violates their rulings.

Even the President.


4 posted on 07/17/2023 8:06:09 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: rellimpank

Several years ago, I decided I would build an A-10 rifle, until I talked to my local gunsmith. He convinced me that I would have trouble making all of the components match well, unless they were all from the same company. (he was right) AR-15’s are almost all very close copies of the original M-16, which I shot in the service. It makes mix and match very practical on the AR-15.

I looked at the 80% lower receivers and they had some variance in brand and big variances in the alloy they were cast from. Most are forged and machined from 6061 or 7075 aluminum alloy. Some are not. The weight of the rifle is somewhat affected by choice of alloy, but also the strength. 7075 is much stronger, but less acid resistant. 6061 is easier to cast or forge than 7075, and it is less expensive.

I opted out of that and bought a bolt action in it’s place. Fine shooting rifle.

Few months back I ordered a serialized lower for an AR-15 rifle build. Had it shipped to a local FFL, then I ordered the parts from several places. I was surprised how easy it went together. And the finish was amazing. Am at the stock phase now, it won’t be made of plastic. Have it roughed out but not finished yet.

How does that connect to this article? When I ordered the lower, it was required it be recorded as a rifle sale. Now, unless something reverses it, looks like the ATF no longer has the courts approval on the whole administrative process they have compiled for years. And home built rifles are still legal.

I really prefer the old school, steel frame rifles. They are heavy but they are strong enough for heavy calibers. (My father during WWII was an armorer, serviced Quad 50’s and Bofors.)


5 posted on 07/17/2023 8:26:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: rellimpank

Does this mean that you can print your own guns too?


6 posted on 07/17/2023 9:02:49 AM PDT by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: Texas Fossil
I built an AR-15 with a Bear Creek barrel. I made the mistake of ordering the bolt/bolt carrier assembly from Anderson. It failed to pass the headspace gauge test. I ordered a BCG from Bear Creek and it fit perfectly. Passed the test. Lesson learned. Buy your barrel/BCG from the same supplier to ensure the parts work together. Lots of parts are nicely interchangeable, but not all.
7 posted on 07/17/2023 10:51:15 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Openurmind
Maybe SCOTUS needs their own Ruling Compliance Division with the authority to arrest anyone who violates their rulings.

This is something that SCOTUS is going to have to address, and it goes far beyond gun control issues. When they make a ruling, and government loses, why should it take years for a new case to work its' way back up the chain when said government tries to institute a blatant end run around the court's ruling? And why should there not be sanctions meted out against against those government agencies engaged in that conduct?
8 posted on 07/17/2023 11:03:15 AM PDT by rottndog (What comes after America?)
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To: Myrddin

Yes. Agree. And thanks for heads up. Most of my parts are from Anderson. Including 18” 1:8 barrel.

I am impressed with the precision of their forged or die cast components, but chose not to use some components.

Have good friend that is a gunsmith. He will be inspecting final stage. I don’t have go/no go gauge, he does. I have tools for rest of assembly. He has built several hundred of them.

When I have the stock and fore grip installed I will go visit him again. Have know him from childhood. It is a small town.


9 posted on 07/17/2023 11:15:38 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: rottndog

“This is something that SCOTUS is going to have to address, and it goes far beyond gun control issues. When they make a ruling, and government loses, why should it take years for a new case to work its’ way back up the chain when said government tries to institute a blatant end run around the court’s ruling? And why should there not be sanctions meted out against against those government agencies engaged in that conduct?”

I completely agree. SCOTUS sets the “Law of the land”, why should government be immune to these same laws?

They won’t though... They sold their souls to the same demons government did.


10 posted on 07/17/2023 11:55:27 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Texas Fossil
Having the right tools and good documentation helps. When building lowers, I do the steps with small springs inside a gallon plastic bag. That prevents the occasional flyer from disappearing forever. A little masking tape to protect the finish helps when placing the roll pin for the bolt catch. The go/no-go headspace gauges are an important safety check before putting a live round in the chamber. Good luck on your next build.
11 posted on 07/17/2023 1:47:41 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Texas Fossil
When I ordered the lower, it was required it be recorded as a rifle sale.

It was completely machined, and serialized. Those were and are still required to be transferred through an FFL. At the time of transfer, I believe you can designate it a pistol, and build either a pistol or rifle with it. If transferred as a rifle, it must be made into a rifle.

12 posted on 07/18/2023 6:54:20 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: gundog

I never put any thought to designating pistol or rifle.

Point I was trying to make is, the recent courts have done a start over on ATF “rules”. One that they apparently never expected.

BATF is total FUBAR. So is DOJ.

I absolutely hate bureaucraps and idiots running things by mindless heartless brainless computers.

We are absolutely dying from complexity and the only solutions offered is more complexity.

Complexity will kill the nation and any freedom for mankind.


Einstein understood this:

Einstein: Everything Should Be Made as Simple as Possible, But Not Simpler

Einstein: When the solution is simple, God is answering.

Einstein: Computers are incredibly fast, accurate and stupid; humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination.

Einstein: Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.


13 posted on 07/18/2023 7:27:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Everything’s legal, until you get caught. If you run law enforcement, you won’t get caught. When’s the Matlock Marathon??”

—President Mashed Potatoes


14 posted on 07/18/2023 8:10:00 AM PDT by RandallFlagg ("Okay. As long as the paperwork is clean, you boys can do what you like out there." -Fifi)
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