Its amazing how docile Americans have been given that their own government has lied them into ever-expanding war, especially now with a nuclear power
Well then, Adios NATO.
I vote for the collapse of Nato.
I’m cool with that. NATO has outlived its Cold War purpose.
Uh, no.
Hey Z, you created it, you own it. STFU.
Collapse of NATO it is.
The US government will be making a mammoth mistake from which it may not recover if it tries to directly involve this country in a kinetic war in Ukraine. Guaranteed.
Including losing billions of taxpayer’s money.
I will not fight for Ukraine.
I consider blue helmets a target.
Y’all globalists need to reconsider real soon.
Query:
Stepping back a bit, one observes that this is a USA Today article being amplified through MSN, so the media is "all in" in this moment is pointing to something. The question then is -- to what?
The article quotes Z: " 'If Ukraine would lose, if Russia would occupy Ukraine, Russia will continue going toward Baltic countries, Poland, etcetera,' he said. 'They will start war with one of the NATO countries and at this moment the United States will have to choose the collapse of NATO or go to war'."
The architecture of this argument reminds me, once in olive drab under LBJ, of the "domino theory" pushed by the Democrat Party and much later rather repudiated by McNamara while peddling his memoirs,
I am sure that there are those on FR who think Russia will, in Z's words, "continue going toward Baltic countries, Poland, etcetera." But observe the wiggle. "Toward" is not "into" and "occupy." And there also those on FR who think Russia will not do as Z foretells.
It does sound like a geopolitical policy sales pitch, rather like our justifications for being in Vietnam for about 20 years, as for being in Afghanistan for about 20 years. Robert McNamara? Anyone remember the dominoes falling? What we know is that since that time, Vietnam won the Vietnam war because we lost it. And Afghanistan won the Afghanistan war because we lost it.
An excerpt:
---- "Corruption, religious differences, and mounting successes by the Vietcong guerrillas weakened the South Vietnamese government of Ngo Dinh Diem. Diem was Catholic, and public protests over the repression of Buddhists threatened the stability of his regime. Kennedy accelerated the flow of American aid and gradually increased U.S. military advisers to more than 16,000. At the same time, he pressed the Diem government to clean house and institute long-overdue political and economic reforms.
---- The situation did not improve. In September of 1963, President Kennedy declared in an interview, "In the final analysis, it is their war. They are the ones who have to win it or lose it. We can help them, we can give them equipment, we can send our men out there as advisers, but they have to win it, the people of Vietnam, against the Communists... But I don't agree with those who say we should withdraw. That would be a great mistake... [The United States] made this effort to defend Europe. Now Europe is quite secure. We also have to participate—we may not like it—in the defense of Asia."
Source: https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/jfk-in-history/vietnam
So in the light of our history and Robert McNamara: Z says "If Ukraine loses, U.S. must choose between the collapse of NATO or going to war."
Because there are no other alternatives? Either-or?
Well the end of the JFK article under the heading "A Domino Falls," says "In January 1975, North Vietnam began massive invasions of South Vietnam. A few months later, the North Vietnamese captured the capital city of Saigon, and the last Americans were evacuated from the US embassy. The American war in Vietnam was over. More than 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 Americans had lost their lives."
Question --- who won? And who wants to play "the geopolitical policy sales pitch game"? They're lining up now....
No. Americans have to choose between keeping the Ukraine Money Laundry open for Western politicians or dying in a nuclear holocaust.
I think this entitled little homosexual has worn out his welcome.
Adios NATO!
Yeah, so?
Having a hard time seeing the problem here.
Let the Krauts and the Limeys and the Frogs et al work it out.
Biden's Administration should tell NATO and Ukraine to figure it out.
BUT, they will likely meet Putin's threat of using nukes, with their own stupid counter-threat.
Uhm...hey, Z, buddy...you are not a part of NATO.
Your threat is empty.
That’s easy. Good riddance to NATO/GloboHomo