Posted on 05/20/2023 8:37:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.
The debt ceiling is based on unconstitutional federal taxing and spending imo, spending that the very corrupt, post-16th (direct taxation) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendment (16&17A) ratifications Congress cannot reasonably justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, and a few other constitutionally enumerated expenses.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
“If the tax be not proposed for the common defence, or general welfare, but for other objects, wholly extraneous, (as for instance, for propagating Mahometanism among the Turks, or giving aids and subsidies to a foreign nation, to build palaces for its kings, or erect monuments to its heroes,) it would be wholly indefensible upon constitutional principles [emphases added].” — Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 2 (1833).
From the congressional record, Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had emphasized that the drafters of the Constitution left the care of the people uniquely to the states, not the federal government:
”Simply this, that the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Constitution, is in the States and not in the federal government [emphases added]. I have sought to effect no change in that respect in the Constitution of the country.” —John Bingham, Congressional. Globe. 1866, page 1292 (see top half of third column)
Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." (non-FR; 6 sec.)
“Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves [emphasis added]. It seems to be the law of our general nature.” - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)
Democrats Are Terrified Of An Educated And Informed Public (3.12.23)
So the ultimate remedy for the unconstitutional debt is for Trump-supporting Democratic and Republican patriots to support their state lawmakers in repealing 16&17A.
If the repeal amendment was strictly limited to repealing those amendments, then relatively or ideally no discussion would be needed before ratification imo.
In fact, I challenge the states to "ram" the repeal amendment through the amendment process faster than Pelosi irresponsibly rammed the unconstitutional (imo) Obamacare bill through the House.
”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added]” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." (non-FR; 6 sec.)
This battle over the debt ceiling ‘could’ be epic, in that, it could return the House to its Constitutional role of setting the budget. Once that becomes the norm, as long as the House stays in power, it stops the progressives in their tracks - they’ll have to resort to burning down cities again to get their way.
Biden and Schumer know this - that’s why I’m predicting Biden will allow this to go up to the edge, and then pull a 14th amendment EO to “save the country” from those Evil MAGA republicans.
We’re only in the first quarter of this one …
After reading all the negative posts about McCarthy here on FR, I expected him to be a sellout. I am pleasantly surprised McCarthy has exceeded all my expectations. I guess FR posters can be wrong sometimes.
If polls aligned with government actions we would not have open borders allowing the importation of so many of the world’s diseases and leftist voters.
The Dems are master negotiators of Deceit; They will blame their opponents for the things they are doing.
Remember the Rules for Radicals.
My prayers go with McCarthy as he needs all the help he can get.
Just for the record...I have always liked Kevin McCarthy.
I think he is cute...and I think he is a Patriot.
And...I think he has potential for future possibilities.
I think McCarthy is holding to his agreement to essentially do Trump’s bidding, which caused the holdouts (Gaetz et al) to vote for him for speaker. Yes, I think Trump and his circle are pulling the strings because Trump does intend to right the ship and make America great again.
It appears those words mean nothing: without some to ENFORCE them.
democrats are the enemy as are all democrat party voters. They are bankrupting this country to usher in a totalitarian state more so than we already have.
They think the debate should go like this: We’re out of free stuff. Give us more free stuff. Give them more free stuff. Why won’t the Republicans let us get more free stuff? They’re meeeeaaaan!
But it isn’t going that way. Is gas-lighting no longer working? I sure hope so.
To raise the ceiling, first the borders must be closed.
open border = no money
The Sixteenth Amendment gave Congress the power to “lay and collect taxes on incomes..”. Up until its’ passage, the federal government was financed mostly by tariffs. Once the government got their hands on people’s incomes, is when they became very powerful. Power is proportional to wealth.
“I guess FR posters can be wrong sometimes.’
Yes, like Trump can win in 2024 given nothing fundamentally has changed (in most every relevant respect), and much as gotten worse, since 2020.
Yep, it’s the DC shell game..
Federal budgets are never legitimately really “cut” by normal definitions. What the Democrats and the Fed borg call “cuts” are simply actually less increases than they asked for..So a 10% increase in the budget over the previous year, becomes a 5% “cut” because the agency asked for a 15% increase.
Since what we want have they paid attention to?
"It appears those words mean nothing: without some to ENFORCE them."
Ordinary, constitutionally low-information citizen voters abuse their 17th Amendment powers by electing federal senators who promise voters unconstitutional federal spending programs to get themselves elected. So voters can also point the finger of blame for unconstitutionally big federal government to themselves imo.
Yep. 2022 was proof of that. An absolutely dreadful POSPOTUS, high inflation and a rotten economy, and the best the GOP could come up with was barely taking the House and still losing the Senate.
Did you sober up yet? Food and healthcare inflation is 10 times worse than during Trump admin. Illegals are coming in 10 times more than during Trump admin. No foreign wars started or fought during Trump admin. Biden already spent 100’s of Billions of BORROWED money in Ukraine to jack up the national debt. We can barely pay interest on the debt now. Americans will pay interest in PERPETUITY for money borrowed for Ukraine war.
If you thing nothing has changed, time to sober up.
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