As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.
The debt ceiling is based on unconstitutional federal taxing and spending imo, spending that the very corrupt, post-16th (direct taxation) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendment (16&17A) ratifications Congress cannot reasonably justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, and a few other constitutionally enumerated expenses.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
“If the tax be not proposed for the common defence, or general welfare, but for other objects, wholly extraneous, (as for instance, for propagating Mahometanism among the Turks, or giving aids and subsidies to a foreign nation, to build palaces for its kings, or erect monuments to its heroes,) it would be wholly indefensible upon constitutional principles [emphases added].” — Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 2 (1833).
From the congressional record, Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had emphasized that the drafters of the Constitution left the care of the people uniquely to the states, not the federal government:
”Simply this, that the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Constitution, is in the States and not in the federal government [emphases added]. I have sought to effect no change in that respect in the Constitution of the country.” —John Bingham, Congressional. Globe. 1866, page 1292 (see top half of third column)
Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." (non-FR; 6 sec.)
“Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves [emphasis added]. It seems to be the law of our general nature.” - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)
Democrats Are Terrified Of An Educated And Informed Public (3.12.23)
So the ultimate remedy for the unconstitutional debt is for Trump-supporting Democratic and Republican patriots to support their state lawmakers in repealing 16&17A.
If the repeal amendment was strictly limited to repealing those amendments, then relatively or ideally no discussion would be needed before ratification imo.
In fact, I challenge the states to "ram" the repeal amendment through the amendment process faster than Pelosi irresponsibly rammed the unconstitutional (imo) Obamacare bill through the House.
”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added]” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." (non-FR; 6 sec.)
This battle over the debt ceiling ‘could’ be epic, in that, it could return the House to its Constitutional role of setting the budget. Once that becomes the norm, as long as the House stays in power, it stops the progressives in their tracks - they’ll have to resort to burning down cities again to get their way.
Biden and Schumer know this - that’s why I’m predicting Biden will allow this to go up to the edge, and then pull a 14th amendment EO to “save the country” from those Evil MAGA republicans.
We’re only in the first quarter of this one …
If polls aligned with government actions we would not have open borders allowing the importation of so many of the world’s diseases and leftist voters.
Just for the record...I have always liked Kevin McCarthy.
I think he is cute...and I think he is a Patriot.
And...I think he has potential for future possibilities.
They think the debate should go like this: We’re out of free stuff. Give us more free stuff. Give them more free stuff. Why won’t the Republicans let us get more free stuff? They’re meeeeaaaan!
But it isn’t going that way. Is gas-lighting no longer working? I sure hope so.
To raise the ceiling, first the borders must be closed.
open border = no money
Since what we want have they paid attention to?
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Until we stop sending billions to Ukraine ... I don’t want to hear jack **** about the debt ceiling.
8:19 AM · May 22, 2023
mewzilla: Asterisks mine.