As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.
The debt ceiling is based on unconstitutional federal taxing and spending imo, spending that the very corrupt, post-16th (direct taxation) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendment (16&17A) ratifications Congress cannot reasonably justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, and a few other constitutionally enumerated expenses.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
“If the tax be not proposed for the common defence, or general welfare, but for other objects, wholly extraneous, (as for instance, for propagating Mahometanism among the Turks, or giving aids and subsidies to a foreign nation, to build palaces for its kings, or erect monuments to its heroes,) it would be wholly indefensible upon constitutional principles [emphases added].” — Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 2 (1833).
From the congressional record, Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had emphasized that the drafters of the Constitution left the care of the people uniquely to the states, not the federal government:
”Simply this, that the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Constitution, is in the States and not in the federal government [emphases added]. I have sought to effect no change in that respect in the Constitution of the country.” —John Bingham, Congressional. Globe. 1866, page 1292 (see top half of third column)
Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." (non-FR; 6 sec.)
“Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves [emphasis added]. It seems to be the law of our general nature.” - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)
Democrats Are Terrified Of An Educated And Informed Public (3.12.23)
So the ultimate remedy for the unconstitutional debt is for Trump-supporting Democratic and Republican patriots to support their state lawmakers in repealing 16&17A.
If the repeal amendment was strictly limited to repealing those amendments, then relatively or ideally no discussion would be needed before ratification imo.
In fact, I challenge the states to "ram" the repeal amendment through the amendment process faster than Pelosi irresponsibly rammed the unconstitutional (imo) Obamacare bill through the House.
”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added]” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." (non-FR; 6 sec.)
It appears those words mean nothing: without some to ENFORCE them.
democrats are the enemy as are all democrat party voters. They are bankrupting this country to usher in a totalitarian state more so than we already have.
The Sixteenth Amendment gave Congress the power to “lay and collect taxes on incomes..”. Up until its’ passage, the federal government was financed mostly by tariffs. Once the government got their hands on people’s incomes, is when they became very powerful. Power is proportional to wealth.