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Jon Meacham: Mock Me, But Biden Has Handled Ukraine Crisis With 'Immense Skill'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 12/21/2022 9:54:18 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Okay, Jon Meacham, we're going to take up your invitation, and mock you, you shameless hack!

On today's Morning Joe, discussing Ukrainian President Zelensky's visit to D.C. today, Meacham said:

"I think President Biden has led with immense skill throughout this crisis. It's reminiscent of the senior President Bush during the first Gulf War, and then back to the great World War II leadership. And I say that without, people can mock that, perhaps, but David [Ignatius] can check me on it.

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To: BenLurkin

41 posted on 12/21/2022 10:44:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: BenLurkin

Ukraine’ crisis is Ukraine’ crisis.


42 posted on 12/21/2022 10:51:22 AM PST by mosaicwolf (nd M19)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Presidential Mistorian, more like it.


43 posted on 12/21/2022 10:53:40 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I don’t know who this is but he is a bald faced liar. Joey has merely paid his blackmailer.


44 posted on 12/21/2022 10:58:37 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Freedom is never free. It must be won rewon and jealously guarded.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It depends. If the goal was to dispense with ageing ordinance and refresh it with new defense contracts, then yes, Biden’s handling of Ukraine has been successful.

However, if you consider the unnecessary death and destruction visited upon the residents of Ukraine, then it’s been abject failure. Did the Ukrainian people ask to be part of this proxy war? Why couldn’t Russia, NATO and Ukrainian government follow Minsk agreement to resolve any disputes about territory?

Putin has already sacrificed over 100,000 young Russian men in an attempt to thwart the past and current US interference and corruption in Ukraine. Is it worth it?

What if we just let Russia supply Germany and Europe with cheap natural gas? It would have made the EU a bigger economic competitor to the US but is that worth brushing up against WWIII?

All of these machinations disgust me. It makes me question our two interventions in Iraq. And with the latest revelations of CIA/FBI gaslighting on social media, I’m even starting to wonder if I should give the 9/11 Truthers another listen.

I was a teenager in the 80’s. I missed SoD McNamara and the Vietnam era of government propaganda aimed at US citizens. Now in my 50’s I’ve become fully disgruntled. I love the USA and so do my adult children. But I’m tired of Orwellian overtones.


45 posted on 12/21/2022 10:58:39 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Consider yourself mocked, Jon.


46 posted on 12/21/2022 11:04:54 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Hey dipsh*t, Obama handed out more money to Iran than your boy Jo Jo has handed out to Zelenskyyyyyyyyyy and Obama doesn’t have any “immense skill” at all. You’re an idiot.


47 posted on 12/21/2022 11:07:37 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Amerika! The whole world is watching and laughing their asses off. )
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To: pierrem15

Bull crap. You won’t change my mind on this. You can’t even tangibly enumerate America’s interests. I don’t give a crap about Europe or Ukraine. Europe can provide their own defense and stop relying on the American taxpayers. This is just as bad as Wilson’s war. We had no business being involved in WWI either.


48 posted on 12/21/2022 11:15:34 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Right. About as well as he did in leaving Afghanistan.


49 posted on 12/21/2022 11:18:25 AM PST by TheElectionWasStolen
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Mock you? Pal just being you is insult enough.


50 posted on 12/21/2022 11:27:28 AM PST by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Why do people like Meacham even exist? Is it to fulfill some sort of statistical requirement for a certain fraction of the population to be 30 standard deviations away from reality? I can’t think of any other reason other than someone paid him a lot of money to say something so stupid.


51 posted on 12/21/2022 11:36:02 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Jon Meacham: Mock Me, But Biden Has Handled Ukraine Crisis With ‘Immense Skill’

Substitute the word skill with “MONEY” And this wasn’t him either, as it was probably the ones pulling his strings.


52 posted on 12/21/2022 12:11:14 PM PST by Saintgermain
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To: ConservativeInPA
"Censorship of the media, elimination of opposition political parties and attacks against the Ukrainian Orthodox Church

You're talking about Biden, right?
Yeah, I don't think Biden has singled out Ukrainian churches here, I think any Christian church is under attack, especially if it doesn't toe the latest Leftist dogma to the letter.

Didn't I read where the Russian Orthodox Church blessed Putin's invasion of Ukraine?
So what's up with that?

53 posted on 12/21/2022 12:11:42 PM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: imabadboy99

What a putz


54 posted on 12/21/2022 12:12:19 PM PST by gibsonguy
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To: BroJoeK

I’m talking about Zelenskyy


55 posted on 12/21/2022 12:18:04 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: silverleaf
"The only guy I hear talking like a WW2 strategist is Doug Macgregor..."

McGRegor presents a very one-sided negative view of Ukraine's situation.
He says Russians are winning and will win big time with a massive new offensive, once the ground freezes in Ukraine.

I suspect he has simply reversed that old song, "accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative".
The truth?

Maybe somewhere in between.

56 posted on 12/21/2022 12:20:01 PM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: ConservativeInPA
"This is just as bad as Wilson’s war.
We had no business being involved in WWI either.

My late grandfather would agree with you, he hated that war.
But the truth is the U.S. supported our British & French allies from Day One, with massive loans and arms shipments.
So we were invested deeply in Allied victory, and when Germans began unrestricted U-Boat sinkings of our cargo ships, attempted to ally with Mexico to invade our Southern border (you may remember, we did use to have a border), and began preparing for a massive new offensive in France, Wilson flipped from anti-war to pro, and began working on a plan for "peace without victory".

Point is, we supported the Allies from the beginning and then went All In when it began to look like our team was losing.

57 posted on 12/21/2022 12:41:54 PM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

SOBER UP


58 posted on 12/21/2022 12:51:45 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: BroJoeK

Ukraine is not an ally. Europe can handle this one on their own.


59 posted on 12/21/2022 12:56:31 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: ConservativeInPA
"I’m talking about Zelenskyy"

I know, it's tough when your country is being invaded, like ours is now, or was back in 1776.
Governments get real intolerant of political opposition.
You might remember, we tarred & feathered British Loyalists back in the day, and confiscated their lands to help pay for the Revolution.

Even today, with a massive invasion of our Southern border, the government cracks down on the free press, suppresses information, concocts narratives and enforces adherence to its dogma -- that's the U.S. government.
Now imagine if the invading forces were a heavily armed military, not just "mostly peaceful" migrants.

I'm only saying, things can and do get nasty when your country is invaded.
I'd cut Ukrainians some slack.
Our government? No.

60 posted on 12/21/2022 1:01:02 PM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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