Posted on 12/20/2022 10:04:38 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
Ukrainian leaders have vowed to retake all territory occupied by Russia, prompting a debate over what would be necessary for Ukraine to win and evict Moscow’s forces.
The answer is primarily military because Russia is only going to abandon its hard-won gains if its troops suffer catastrophic losses, military strategists say. Behind those talks about weapons and ammunition is a deeper political question as Ukraine’s battlefield fortunes rely heavily on the willingness of Western governments to continue their multibillion-dollar military assistance to Kyiv.
And pushing Russian forces out of the entrenched positions they hold in more than 15% of Ukraine’s territory will require an even greater flow of military support—possibly more than the West is willing and able to bear.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken told The Wall Street Journal last Monday that the U.S. would support Kyiv in recovering territory Russia has grabbed since launching its large-scale invasion on Feb. 24, suggesting that Washington might not back Ukraine militarily in retaking areas that Russia seized in 2014, including the Crimean Peninsula.
Ukrainian leaders have vowed to retake all territory occupied by Russia, prompting a debate over what would be necessary for Ukraine to win and evict Moscow’s forces.
The answer is primarily military because Russia is only going to abandon its hard-won gains if its troops suffer catastrophic losses, military strategists say. Behind those talks about weapons and ammunition is a deeper political question as Ukraine’s battlefield fortunes rely heavily on the willingness of Western governments to continue their multibillion-dollar military assistance to Kyiv.
And pushing Russian forces out of the entrenched positions they hold in more than 15% of Ukraine’s territory will require an even greater flow of military support—possibly more than the West is willing and able to bear.
(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...
THAT’S a solution I’d buy into. For a few billion more, how about the fascists at the WEF? Soros, Bill-zebub Gates, Justin Castreau, Mark Rutte, etc.: and, of course, ‘der Führer und Reichskanzler’ K(louse) Schwab?
All the technologies already exist for 3-D printed autonomous AI robot troops that don't register politically as troops. Hopefully the transition to robot vs. robot war goes quickly, else the global warmongers will be unleashing continuous mass death and destruction everywhere.
CNN
President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky are planning to meet at the White House on Wednesday in what would be a surprise visit that will coincide with the administration’s intent to send the country a new defense assistance package that will include Patriot missile systems, according to two sources familiar with the planning underway.
A map (on site) showing possible air defense coverage with all the systems that Ukraine 🇺🇦 is expected to receive
8 NASAMS 🔵
6 HAWK 🔴
4 IRIS-T 🟢
1 Patriot and 1 SAMP/T 🟠
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Ukraine Can Win the War. But the Cost May Be Too High for the West., DannyTN wrote: DannyTN: As opposed to what? Losing the war? Letting Russia have the natural resources of Ukraine? Those natural resources are valued #4 in the world!'
ransomnote: NATO should never have overthrown the Ukraine and installed their puppet, signed the Minsk Agreements in order to stall so they could build the Ukrainian army (According to Merkel), and provoked Russia after decades of warnings not to do so. THEN those natural resources could be retained in the Ukraine, but NATO and their puppet regime in the Ukraine wouldn't listen to reason.
DannyTN: You let Russia have those and suddenly Russia has an even larger monopoly control over energy and gas for Europe than they had before.
ransomnote: For some reason, NATO bet it all on their ability to destroy Russia through a proxy war in the Urkaine.
DannyTN: They’ll also have steel and weapons factories that you wouldn’t want to have in the hands of an aggressor country.
ransomnote: Stop provoking Russia to defend itself this way and you won't have to worry about offensive actions from Russia.
DannyTN: And they will also have major control of grain markets in Europe.
If you think this war is expensive, lose it and see how much the next one costs!!!
ransomnote: Can it equal the $144 Billion US dollars in 10 months flushed down the toilet in a proxy war in the Ukraine in an attempt to safeguard the Deep State's headquarters and money laundering capital of the world?
DannyTN: This war is cheap.
ransomnote: Are you crazy?
DannyTN: It’s not costing any American lives.
ransomnote: None that they are admitting to. But they do send in 'contractors' to operate military hardware donated to the proxy war, and those contracters are newly 'retired' military that will resume their military careers after they leave Ukraine.
Also, the military sent an advance team and is showing all the signs of preparing to send in ground troops. They'll do this because they are desperate to save the Deep State assets housed in the Ukraine. Biden and others will grind up as many soldiers and dollars as needed to protect their Deep State hub in the Ukraine.
DannyTN: We’re drawing support from the whole world. And we’re spending 2.6% of our annual budget, to have the world’s second largest army beat down.
ransomnote: We shouldn't have spent $107 billion, and promised another $40 billion on a conflict that only serves Deep State interests. The citizens in the Ukraine deserve our prayers because they are being used as human shields, human sacrifices, and canon fodder in this proxy war.
DannyTN: It’s important that we defend the principles embodied by the UN that countries don’t invade and take their neighbor’s land.
ransomnote: The UN exists to overthrow countries. It uses it's blather about its missions to hide the fact that they were purpose built to destabilize countries, offer 'peace keepers' prone to child trafficking/human trafficking/drug running, then use the 'peace keepers' to prop up the latest puppet regime of the UN's choosing. The UN is evil and part of a corrupt system so don't talk to me about their 'principles'.
DannyTN: If you don’t defend this, you will have aggressor states starting wars all over the world. And then what? Are we going to fight all those wars, are wait until the aggressors get so big they pick fights with us?
ransomnote: NATO is a little more strategic and selective about the wars they start. It's good that their proxy war in the Ukraine is expending their resources or they'd start more wars more often. They are still angling for WWIII. That's why they had their puppet Zelensky fire on Poland and blame Russia.
DannyTN: Learn from WWI and WWII.
ransomnote: I should hope we learned not to have anything to do with Nazi's after WWII, but here were are, propping up the Zelensky regime, with it's neo Nazi Azov military.
That is an accurate summary of the warmongering globalists’ position.
That paves the way for China taking control of Russia.
Gain-of-function labs.
As opposed to what? Losing the war? Letting Russia have the natural resources of Ukraine? Those natural resources are valued #4 in the world!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha… breathe… bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
It’s not like the United States is buying an ownership stake in Ukrainian resources.
Doesn’t China want Siberia?
Vote at the UN against the withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine
The document contains a demand “immediately stop the military invasion of Ukraine and unconditionally withdraw all its armed forces from the territory of the country.”
82 countries voted for the adoption of the resolution, 80 abstained, 14 states voted against. Among them are Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, China, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Nicaragua, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Mali, Sudan, Zimbabwe and Cuba.
The resolution was submitted for discussion by the UN General Assembly on 15 December.
And there wouldn’t even have been the whole 82 who voted yes had it not been for the fact that we bribe and threaten countries to support our positions at the UN. We OWN the UN.
This is not America’s war to lose. Ukraine’s fate is none of the USA’s business. Americans have no strategic interest in Ukraine and the country is not a member of NATO.
The horribly corrupt country is only of importance to crooked American politicians who have been screwing the Ukrainian people out of their money and resources for many years.
The Department of Defense of the USA has financed, built and maintained several dozen bioweapons labs in Ukraine. Victoria Nuland of the U.S. State Department admitted their existence and the terrible danger they posed during her public testimony earlier this year.
This is an internationally recognized “crime against humanity” for which those Americans responsible could be found guilty by an international tribunal (as in the Nuremberg trials of Nazi’s - 1945-1949) and hanged.
Russia needs to be destroyed. This is a cheap way to do it. Might as well settle in. This will take years.
As Francis Neilson wrote over a century ago, ‘There is nothing governments consider to have less than a man and his life’. The US government firmly believes this and will get Americans killed in large numbers to make money for K Street and Globo-Homo.
Russia needs to be destroyed. This is a cheap way to do it. Might as well settle in. This will take years
YOU ARE TRULY INSANE.
That number is based on the rule of thumb of 3 attackers per 1 defender.
Pray tell, where are those soldiers going to come from?
Bravo!
Ukraine made the deal of the century when they bought off the drug addicted whore monger son of President Sniffer. If Republicans had known how easy it was, WE could have bought off Hunter and protected our own borders.
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